excathedra

thank you for that !!!!! I actually forgot what the heck he was going on and on about in the late 80s or whenever that was. JAL, shame on you.

To coin an old phrase, "I'm learning a lot." I think there's something wrong with me. lol -- While I'm at it, I don't like being called a "whiner" -- I've seen that.

speechless (((((((( kryssie )))))))))) and same to your wonderful boy

did we graduate or get married 27 years ago today ?

thanks, abi, but not really i just don't have a real problem with whatever

and sadly, Jim, some (screwed up) young ladies

oh now i'm just being a pain dan, you said :) I don't take issue with the part about it being settled with him and the lord. I take issue with "philandering scoundrel." Here's that dictionary thing the smart people use -- Philandering: - To carry on a sexual affair, especially an extramarital affair, with a woman one cannot or does not intend to marry. Used of a man. - To engage in many love affairs, especially with a frivolous or casual attitude. Used of a man. -- I don't think that was the problem, Dan. I think the problem was using the position of a pastor, maybe, over God's lovely flock.... being a minister.... being a man of God.... ABUSE.... SEXUAL SPIRITUAL ABUSE..... -- thank you !

I can't get through this whole thing. I skipped ahead six or seven pages. Tell me if I missed anything really important. Lucy, in answer to your question(s), at least as best I can, it was at an all ladies' meeting (and only one person was referred to). Did I think it was bizarre? I ran away, left and went to the bathroom, and that's where Dot came in. We had a "WTF" conversation, but FOR ME, I think I was rationalizing bigtime -- like maybe trying to convince myself some spiritual message was in there -- I know how gross and what a joke. I have no explanation. Maybe because I was a victim of incest. Maybe because I didn't have proper boundaries. Maybe because I was just totally F'd up. I don't think I thought about shouting anything out to the rooftops, but, at that time, it wasn't because I didn't care about people. I think it was more because of my trying to convince myself that there was some kind of a message there. I really don't know, NOW. Today, of course, would be a very very different story. It's like when he counseled me and told me that God wanted to teach me true healing in that area (since he knew about my past abuse). I tried to "buy" it, but there was some kind of a struggle always going on inside me. I'm going on and on, but I don't know the real reason why. I know I'm ashamed, disgusted, angry, and, if I had to do it all over again, I would handle it differently, but now I have a different "brain" if you will. More later maybe when I can put into words what I'm trying to say. Also, I am very very sorry, beyond words, about what happened to you. I understand and can relate. Children should be guarded, protected, cherished, loved.... I just wish he had understood that. Later.

I would love to hear from WD regarding his experience when someone went to jail for a crime they didn't commit or something along those lines thank you

could you elaborate ? thanks. pro vs anti wierwille, i get that long-time posters, i think that would also be pro vs anti wierwille -- thanks combo :) this argument seems very "hot" at the moment i wouldn't boot anyone

you are an awesome person, roy thank you

hi combination, what a good name !!! what are these ? just thinking out loud. we are people. very different very whatev ;)

one time i was part of a case where sexual abuse was accused but it wasn't true i know how hard that can be

thank you my friend kit -- every day for me is a testimony of how god jesus christ love me

but thank you for your insight

okay okay i guess tickets will have to do :)

thanks, dooj i just don't have a mission

I just don't know, what happend to me is not my opinion

thanks, whitedove ha elton john throwing a fit, i can't imagine !!!!! you know, i miss dovey a lot. a few other posters friends who have died very awesome about your brother and your chance to be a part i'm sorry things have been so crazy here please take care, i don't hate you, i never have -- I'll send you my phone number. Please ask Bob to call me and sing "To Make you feel my love." Thanks

Thank you, although I couldn't disagree more. The Way Ministry was "built" on Dr. Wierwille. He was destructive. Not sure if that makes sense. I will try to explain better whenever :) I'm sorry, that's not my mission.

Don't even say that about expiring. It would bother me a lot. If you go to sis dove's resting place, throw a lot of love there for me. sniff. and Dylan that's really awesome. I hope to hear about your experience. what is a "key grip" ?

NO warm fuzzies happening here. I was there. What is their chance at justice ? Saying they didn't say it? I don't understand.

one more thing, i'm a firsthand "accounter" and i find it very embarrassing

Thank you for the reply. I hope this isn't the case as far as new posters go. I remember being one like it was yesterday -- and believe me, in my opinion, this is a kinder, gentler place. I agree about "they" can be lonely too :( I sincerely hope that a new person will not go away because of wordsmiths. They can be an attack unto themselves which I'm familiar with. I hope new posters can see and be thankful for differing opinions. But I hope it's not a pipe dream. Pond was making good points about how you get to know everyone and what's going on here. Like I said before, I'm not sure, even though I take it you think I should be. No offense in any way. But I hope when I tell what happened to me, the new person will know I speak honestly and from my heart. That's all for now :) Thanks.

holy crap. i didn't keep reading well, i read your summation which is true about the stupid catholic church (from my own experience) now that i've read all that really happened, i can say, i'm NOT surprised