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lol geo. i'm really impressed, d. good for you!!!!! awesome.

happy birthday toppie -- to one of my most favorite greasespotters in the place! miss you. love you.

Happy birthday Mark! thank you for all your honest heart posts.

happy birthday sweetie! i'm so happy to know you. you're a doll! got any new hats to show us? mwah

sky, i love you and respect you for the person you are. I just don't understand the part about an "ordained clergyman." Ordained clergyman?? Ordained by the vic man makes absolutely no sense to me. I guess I just can't put much stock in that. Forgive me, it's not meant to be an insult. (Sidenote: Since there are all these discussions going on, I'm almost afraid to post because I see I am not getting my point across and I do feel misunderstood, and I KNOW I'm not the only one. Just decided to say that on your thread, sorry.) -- and I'm extremely grateful and thankful (without a way to even express it) for Don39 and you and anyone else who stood up for damaged people. and that's from my heart. -- and continue to stand up

ps. one of the reasons i posted what i did is because a friend of mine went to a psychiatrist to get help from the past and the way ministry, and ended up in an "affair" with him, and he was a horrible control freak abuser. thank you. love,ex

First of all, Don, thank you for your heartfelt outpouring of love. Second of all, i have decided not to read another word on here except yours (opening post), partly because sometimes I am still so easily swayed, and also because you started the thread and asked for a reply. (ps. i know you went on to to say more).I have absolute love and respect for you. But saying someone is utterly shallow and compassionless is not fair, at least not if you're a shrink helping THAT person. Respectfully, do you see what I mean? There are times that maybe a person really doesn't have a willful ignorance of profound suffering. It might be that the person in question has their own profound suffering. That's all I mean. I too place a great value on, and respect, licensed professionals in the area you described -- the millions. I ABSOLUTELY don't think that God or Jesus opposes them. Many have touched the untouchables, stared down evil, and everything you said -- without any doubt in my mind. But there are some that have not done so. There are some that have an ego, have their own agenda, and actually hurt people. I'm not in ANY WAY denying what you said. I agree, but I just wanted to add that. Thank you. I love you. I just want to say that the nonjudgmental part MAY have to be extended to some of the "evil" people. Good God, please don't crucify me for that one (not talking to you, Don, just in general). Major peace.

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thanks sunesis, very well said

oh just posting this really because of my mom http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npMlOePl0aY...feature=related

lol mstar

awww, m- i just saw "glad all over" thank you - ditto sushi, that was excellent celtic, i'm there and everyone else you're so great here's my contribution to nothing ;) http://youtube.com/watch?v=RRNTQvXSsfA

PM wars ? isn't this enough ? lol I think this too shall pass, at least I hope so

many thanks for a person telling thier story no crusade just what happened i thank you too kris

mstar!!! that is awesome!!! i'm not surprised one bit, one soul artist sees another!!!! you should really dig around for that napkin. i love you, you're just so -- YOU. thank you for that.

ha !!! I love that song !!!!! Imagine, I was just thinking about this recently, I swear. Now, if you run an envelope through the mail machine at work for .42, is that the same if you embezzle $2 grand, $2 million, whatev, from your employer? How 'bout if you surf the 'net on work time? -- oh, and if I thought about doing it (any of the above), would that be sin? venial maybe , not mortal

and eliminate he did, certainly FOR HIMSELF !!!! Jimmy Doop was telling me how shocked or maybe disillusioned he and his wife were when wierwille wanted to know more about "free love" CA style. They were not expecting that!!!! i'm not saying anything about what happened later, but just about that initial time, meeting, hanging out, whatever

mstar my friend please tell the story about eden please

Hi David. You look like what's his name, who was married to Meg Ryan at one time, and had twins recently. His name will come to me, i'm old Thanks for posting. I knew John Hill years ago and really loved the guy.

I must admit, it has been very difficult for me to believe people in close proximity to wierwille didn't see more but I'm guessing we were all part of a cult and least that's how i perceive i t

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I don't remember, I'm sad to say.

Interesting TZ You too, socks, and thank you for the reply.