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I'd love to hear you share Spectrum :)

I asked the same question once on staff to a "bigwig" who at that time was president's cabinet. He said that LCM and DM saw themselves as the prophet and prophetess of TWI. We also know that LCM identified heavily with Joshua - the prophet/warrior come to continue Moses' work and lead the people to the promised land. That's just what he tried to do, come to think of it. Continue VP's work and lead TWI into the land of the prevailing, or the prevailing land - or whatever it was he called it.

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Good to see you too Geisha! I hope all is well :)

Excath, you're not crazy. Many Christians down through the ages are the same way, your back and forth with the holy spirit in you is a common occurence, the medieval christians used to call it being in "bliss." Its a thought, an idea, something strikes your fancy and you muse on it, maybe a topic and you look it up and read what others have written before you and you hold fast the good. Excath, you know, and I know, he's there, he's real... Don't let anyone disparage you.

Its been a Hard Days Night.... Beatles. I bet, most of you here of my generation, could tell me what the next line is, we could probably sing the whole song together. Signs, wonders, miracles - those things Christ did during his ministry, were for the Nation of Israel, proof Jesus was indeed the Messiah. He said those words as he was dying on the cross... The first line of that amazing Psalm, the hearers knew the rest. The end of the Psalm shows him in total triumph. My personal thinking is this was his last "sign" before he died, while he was alive, directed to the Jewish people, as to who he really was.

Rascal - LOL!!!! The advice on a lady holding the microphone - good thing I wasn't drinking my coffee then... Socks, thanks so much for sharing. The reunion must have been '84, because that's when I left HQ - after the Rock and corps week that summer. I could just tell you weren't the Socks I had known, knew there was something not right, so I just talked to you and tried to be a blessing. I just remember they were not treating you right - I guess it was body language. Thanks for sharing that. Newlife, I know what you mean, on staff at Emporia I was told to put down my music, sell my guitars and move on - which I did like an idiot. I was using borrowed instruments at HQ. When I went on the field after HQ in '84 it took me almost two years to decide it was ok to play again and I would not be going against God's will. I started jamming at this little blues bar on Sundays called Dan Lynch's - the only bluesbar in the city at that time. From there, once I got my chops up to speed again (VanHalen, Randy Rhoads, etc. - the lead shredders), as lead playing style had changed quite a bit while I was in the corps and on staff, I was constantly in bands and had a wonderful time, and made some great new "natural man" friends. So, Newlife, hang in, keep doing what you love, maybe get some recording equipment for your computer (you can get it for as little as $99 now), make a little myspace page, put your music there - people will listen. Continue to do what you love...

Well, I am late to the party, but I will say, socks was probably my fav Way Prod. musician - he was wonderful, and since he was a guitar player and an excellent one, I was always watching his fingers as he played his Gibson LP Custom (correct, that's what it was, wasn't it?). When I was in high school and we'd drive to HQ for a weekend in '72, I'd go watch JN rehearse and let Ted know I wanted to be in it someday. I had been playing in "rock" bands through high school and really wanted to be in JN - as did a lot of other young people. Then I went in the corps. I was blessed to be able to be in the corps dance band, and, also, to write music for it. Why did I write music for it? Because it was supposed to be dance/rock music - TWI didn't really have that type of music, so someone had to write it, and I've always been good with coming up with riffs, rockers, etc., so I stepped up and wrote enough to get us through, plus with others that we were able to "rock up" from Way prod recordings. It was a lot of fun. My last year in -res, I was blessed to be picked to run - uh - "coordinate" the corps dance band. We had had an excellent dance band my first year, and so my last year, after the first rehearsal, I did not feel some of the musicians were up to speed and dismissed them and went to H*l*n S*dd*th and told her and asked for some others please. I did this because, in the "world," if a band member wasn't good enough you let him go and found someone who was. It was all done innocently enough. Well, she read me the riot act - and, of course, now, much older and wiser, I don't blame her. I got everyone back, we rehearsed and we got quite good. And I loved seeing these people come alive in a band context and really feel like there was some place in the "impersonal" corps program, where they could shine and be a part of a group that just had fun - lots of fun, no rules, no regs, no bible over the head. They may not have been as good as the first group, but I think I loved them more and had a greater time with them. Wonderful people. When I was on staff at Emporia, me and Rick Panyard (of Good Seed fame and college division) put together the staff Dance band because quite a few staffers played, it was done by ourselves, for the fun of it. It lasted a couple of years and was also great fun. It was all great fun because VPW was not involved. Somehow, this had all slipped under his radar. Then I get to HQ. I said to D. Bailey, let's start a '40s big band, swing thing, the music my dad played, and I loved and grew up with, there are plenty of musicians here to do it. We rounded up people who wanted to, had a rehearsal, had fun, and it sounded great. VP gets wind of it, I later hear he's scrapped it and wants to make it some sappy dinner/supper type thing. We all said no thanks. Then VP wants to do another country band. I was asked to play guitar, said, well, ok. I think it was with people who had been in a group called the Jordan River Ramblers - a forerunner of Way Caravan. Anyway, the bass player leaves, and I am forced to play bass. Ok, I've never played bass, played the scale for each chord, it sounded decent enough. One night, we have to show up at the Minster theater. VP is there wants to watch us play and critique us. It was awful, yells at me because I am not constantly smiling and looked at my guitar as a I was changing a chord. I was not a happy camper. Neither were the rest of the people he railed on. I told Ted, I quit, I don't care what VP thinks. VP comes and finds me next day, says I played great. I'm thinking, what kind of game is this, first you yell, then you say something opposite. I stayed a little while longer and the band shortly thereafter fell apart - thank God. I guess my point is, when we were left to ourselves to do it, bless others and have fun, it was great. But VP took the blessing out of it. By the time I had arrived at HQ I had known for years I did not want to be in Way Prod. It seemed so stifling, it was so controlling, they also had let go some of the best talent because it seemed to me, if someone truly had "charisma" it was a threat, and they would be gone. I liked the people in Way Prod., but to me, the music was always very mediocre, except the early '70s, before VP really starting having a hand in it. From about '76 on, it did nothing for me. Personally, VP was of a different generation. While building the ministry, he let the kids have their fun because it attracted other people to his ministry. Once it had grown, I think is when he really started clamping down and I saw some of the best musicians treated terribly. Socks, I think as time went on, and you had left, there was a JN reunion some years later. You came back, did not have a guitar then, but I did not like the way the Way Prod people were treating you - it was an attitude they had, you were such a wonderful sweet person. Maybe I'm remembering wrong. I think that was the last time I saw or spoke to you. Anyway, that was my experiences on the fringes of Way Prod. I left HQ in the early '80s, went to NYC and played metal, thrash and hardcore for a decade, from CBGB's to every club in NYC and had lots of fun...

Mr. Potato, I use that phrase, because, in-residence, it was exactly the loud-mouthed, extroverted men who attracted the attention of the higher ups - corps coordinators, limb coordinators, etc. Also LCM was like that and he was their example. Although, sometimes the quiet ones were also chosen, and some even unwillingly. But, look at the leadership who were corps, you will see it in action. Most, not all though, top leadership were very arrogant.

It was true, in TWI, the squeaky wheel got the grease. The loud-mouthed, egotistical men were chosen. In any organization, if you read a bit on organizational psychology, the people at the top, are not necessarily the best people, hardest workers, etc. They are people that those on the top personally like. They see that this guy will fit in nicely with the other guys at the top and so take him under their wing and nurture him. Yes, birds of a feather flocked together. You could literally see, in the first two weeks or so, the men they had picked out by the assignments they got. This also applied to women to. Many of VP's female revs were also sarcastic, bitchy loudmouths - some tough gals so to speak. Although there were exceptions to that rule. I also think, there were many milder-mannered men who went in, who deep in their heart, wanted power and had always restrained themselves. Now, they were in a situation where it was ok to let loose the restraints and be what they really wanted to be - tough guys. I think, people became what they wanted to be. Those who didn't change, I think many were people who loved God, or had a great upbringing, whatever, but they could just never imagine themselves behaving that way. I do not believe that everyone who went in TWI were born again. I think, kind of like Hitler's organization was - there was an opportunity to get in on the ground floor of something and get some power. It attracted certain people. I had been lucky enough on the field to be with wonderful people and was quite surprised to see some of the loud-mouthed bullies when I ended up in-residence. I just pretty much ignored them and never took them seriously. Those of us where weren't bullies made great friends with other "like" people and we relied on our little social networks to get through it.

There is one time I know for sure LCM was on meds - they were afraid he was going to hurt himself, that was when POP was read and that all came out at the rock. I've heard there were a couple of other times. I was not around for TWI II - it sounds like LCM was absolutely totally off his rocker, with images of self-delusion regarding how great he was. He was a prophet (in his mind), he was Joshua the 2nd. He once told the AOS crew he wasn't Jesus Christ - yet. That one really made me decide, thank God I'm not on staff anymore. It was shortly after that I left TWI. But, when he announced the Word was over the World - to me that was a "cop-out" so to speak. It was an admission of failure - TWI had nothing to offer anyone now - it was now time to close ranks, which is what happened.

Thanks Groucho! Good to see you too :) Bolshevik - LOL! That's as good an explanation as any I've seen.

After it was announced LCM would be pres., I was really quite surprised to hear many men in leadership - revs. - privately say how they never liked him and, as one man said of LCM, "he is a cocky jock." This surprised me because these were some loyal, top leadership. I think they were following him, because they were loyal to VP and LCM was VP's annointed one. They did it out of loyalty to VP. But, there was no loyalty to LCM, I think that's why pretty much no one did form loyal LCM splinter groups that I know of. You can also see how little loyalty there was to LCM after the mass 86-88 exodus of the older, original hippie generation, leaving LCM with the young 20 year olds to lead. Pretty much all of us who had gotten in early - late /60s-early 70s, had now grown up, and weren't about to follow anyone anymore.

I agree with some posters, he was the king at one time, his throne was usurped, I can see why he would not want to start his own splinter group either. He was the fall guy, no innies or outies would follow him. It just won't happen. I do feel that, when LCM was young, in college, he really did want to know God and loved God. He fell into the hands of a pervert. I think VP had an inherent, sick, predatory evil, inside him, and LCM didn't. VPW had to teach it to Craig, it was not natural to him, and I would think, after LCM's initial shock, since he was a gung-ho follower of VP (I really think there was some kind of father/hero worship issue with LCM), he probably seared his conscience to give it place and believe what VP taught the "initiated" ones in that area. I don't think it came quickly or easily for LCM. As it took years for LCM to get to the point where he is now, I would hope, after many years, it will maybe dawn on him what he did. If he has any true love for God and Christ left, I do think God in his mercy can show him. I think if LCM ever did get it, his repentence would be real. I guess I'm thinking, maybe God hasn't thrown him away, totally, he is still his child. VPW - I still do not believe was ever His child. That's just me. I have a feeling some of the people on the "top" he surrounded himself weren't either. It was about power for them. Wolves preying on an innocent flock. That's why, from knowing LCM and how he always wanted his heart to be right with God, I cannot rule his repentence out someday, and do not put him in the same league with VP.

It always astounded me, when they were running people off, getting rid of "weakness" in the household, and just plain trashing everyone, that no one at the top stopped to think - wait a minute, how are we going to make up this cash deficit? - all of the money we will lose in the future? Where will it come from? It seems they never did think about that. Talk about stupeeedd people! I can't imagine there's much coming in now. They will have to really steward what's left to make it last. If they start being nice to people, inviting people they've thrown out back to fellowship - there's only one reason, and one reason only, they need an infusion of cash. I wonder how much they lost with the stock market crash?

Nice, dead-on description Skyrider. It is who you know at TWI, and most other places as well.. I'd also add, birds of a feather flock together; like attracts like. They are all very much like each other. I read a study once on who makes it to the "top" in corporations. Its not the smartest, best educated or hardest workers, its people that others on the top like to hang out with. Certain staffers "click" with the top people and are tested, groomed, and slowly invited into the club over time. Its an unspoken part of corporate life. Years ago, I would watch some of TWI's top people pick out corps people, hang out with them, watch who got dropped, and who lasted - they look for people like themselves, and find them. Although, I'd say that the AV lifer at HQ is an exception - I've always wondered what kept him. He never wanted to be ordained, VP basically after years had to force him, yet, he's still there. He didn't hang out with a whole lot of people. Every rule has an exception, I think he's it. I'd really like to know why he has.

I had a dream, I was at the Rock, walking down Wierwille Road to the big top for the festivities. Remember how VP used to have the Ambassador One plane buzz the tent at the opening? Well, it was coming, but it was flying low, I was the only one on the road, I started running, it was coming at me, right behind me... I kept thinking, "I've got to get out of the way, I've got to get out of the way" as I ran. Finally, it was on top of me, I hit the road flat - it just missed me and rose up and flew off. All that day I mused what that dream could possibly mean, the plane trying to run me over, I've got to get out of the way. Finally, it dawned on me - DUH. Instead of analyzing it, let's take it literally - I've got to get out of the Way - I need to leave the Way. I mused on that for a few days - leaving TWI. I had been with them since I was 15, I had family in, friends, you know - my life. One afternoon about a week later, as I was walking down the street of my city and I just stopped. I thought, that's it, I'm done - no more. I felt like a huge weight had lifted - I felt free for the first time in years. I didn't even bother telling anyone - I just didn't care anymore. I ran into people ocassionally, but since they were all affiliated with CG - they wanted nothing to do with me anyway. So, I guess I went out quietly.

I agree, they did try and get us to squelch who we were. I got rid of somethings I still regret to this day. To squelch who you are is unhealthy can can lead to mental health problems and breakdowns as one gets older. I just cannot for the life of me imagine why someone would want to go back there - no matter how nice they are. Here, have some Kool-aid - its a new flavor!

I've heard of it. It sounds like automatic writing to me though - same thing, new name. How would you know its God answering you? What if its your subconscious? What if its another spirit that is not God's? Might as well ask the Ouija Board or the 8 Ball.

Mark, we are just going to have to agree to disagree. All the prophecies from the OT and gospels are for those who shall enter the Kingdom - the millenium - Israel, with the Gentiles partaking in the blessings of Israel also. As prophesised in the OT, 10 gentiles will hold the hem of a jewish person and say, let us go up with you, we have heard God is with you. This will come to pass. They will be grafted into the blessings for Israel. Christ came to Israel announcing the Kingdom at hand. Christ gave the 12 apostles their great comissioning - to Israel. that's why Peter continually told Israel to "repent." Christ was alive, you, Israel killed him, but he was alive, they were witnesses, and he would come back if they repented. In order for Christ to return for Israel - ALL of Israel must repent. But, that did not happen. The Church, the one body, are not told that we all must repent in order for Christ to gather us. I agree, Paul in Acts 20 was preaching the "Kingdom." He had not yet received the full Revelation of the mystery at that point. It is at the end of Acts, where he repeats the words of the prophet Jermiah - Isaiah (I don't have my Bible with my now), for the 3rd time, realizing Israel would not now repent, so thus, the Kingdom is not coming - and thus, in Acts 28 he says I now go to the Gentiles. Once the temple was torn down in 70 ad, the Kingdom was in abeyance. The age of Grace is now ushered in. Of course there were OT prophecies fulfilled in Christ, and Christ spoke of them to come. Paul does not dispute that, neither do I. Remember when Christ sat in the temple, opened the scroll and preached and taught the verse in Isaiah then stopped. The second part, when he judges jew and gentile, when he comes back in glory is fulfilled in Revelation, NOT in this age of grace, this unprophesied age that was never written of in the OT nor foretold in the prophecies. We were never mentioned - ever in the OT. The OT prophecies and Christ's prophecies of the end times, which were meant for Isreal, cannot be appropriated by the church. They were not spoken to the Church. Our present age was never, ever prophesised in the OT or gospels. It was kept secret from before the foundation of the world. If our age was not known, nor prophesised about, how can one the Church of today apply the prophecies to Israel to themselves? You cannot. And Paul did not. We are one body. We will have a "celestial" body - not an earthly, eternal body that Israel will have. Our inheritence is in heaven, not on earth. We are never promised land or a city Jerusalem. We are a new creation. We fill up Christ's body. We are his body now and in eternity. It is the Bride that looks for a new city, Jerusalemand dwells therein. It is the Body, that is God's inheritence in the Heavenlies and dwells therein.

Bride, I pretty much agree with everything you say. Paul did preach to Jew and Gentile. But, it was Paul, and Paul alone, who received the revelation of the "mystery" from the risen Christ. Israel had the living earthy Messiah. Paul dealt with the Heavenly, risen Christ. Paul received this revelation when he was in prison. The prison epistles (which include Timothy) reveal the "mystery" - the new creation, and one body - his body. But, you also have his other epistles, where he's seeing it, preaching what he knows to both Jew and Gentile (again, in II Cor. He tells them they will have a new celestial body), Romans was his foundation and it was built on, kind of preparing the Jews to accept the one body with the Gentiles, which he does in Galations, Hebrews and the non-prison epistles. Then you see the apex of the mystery revealed to him in Ephesians while imprisoned. He talks about "my gospel." this was different from the gospel the apostles were preaching (the kingdom is at hand - repent). Because of "my gospel" he had to go to Jerusalem and explain it to the Apostles. There they gave him the right hand of fellowship and decided: they would continue to go to the jews, Paul to the gentiles. That is why Peter said, some of his teachings were hard to understand. In the NT, you see Paul's understanding grow. Because of the "abundance of revelation" to Paul, there was a thorn in the flesh. When we read the parables and prophecy given by Jesus in the Gospels, most were talking about the Kingdom, like the 10 virgins with oil. Since this age of grace, the age of this mystery was still a secret and not yet revealed, and since Jesus was sent to Israel, and was expounding to his Apostles, those are all to Israel. I believe the Jesus was talking about the end times when he returns from heaven and restores the Nation of Israel. There will be some who let their oil run out, when he returns it will be too late. Yes, when Paul quotes the OT, there's plenty written to Israel to the descendents of Abraham. Those prophecies are fullfiled in Rev. when the Gentiles believe the preaching of the 144,000, and are martryred - the gentile "tribulation" saints. They enter into the Kingdom when it comes along with Israel, thus, are all nations blessed. I see the Bible as prophecy which is all to and for Israel. But the NT - mystery, the new creation, jew and gentile one new body - is a parenthesis sandwiched in there. It doesn't take up much space. Then, the church is gathered, the holy spirit reverts back to working like it did in the OT - upon, not in. The church and Holy Spirit gone, the parenthesis is now ended and God picks up dealing with Jew and Gentile and the OT prophecies of the "end of days", Daniel, Ezekial, Isaiah, etc., Jesus telling Israel the signs to come, are now finalized and culminated in Revelation. The NT believer is never told to look for times, seasons, moons, planets, blood red sun, abomination in the temple, etc. Those are end times for Israel. Israel will know, during the tribulation, when the Messiah will come, almost to the day. Those of us in this parenthesis of the NT, the one body, are not told to look for signs. We are to look for Christ and his return. That's it. We look for him. His coming for us is different than his coming for Israel at the end.

Mr. Juedes, I totally agree with you - it is grace. Abraham was made righteous without the law by his believing. Paul in Romans shows how grace and faith supersede the OT law, and that is why Israel is blinded today by trying to do the works of the law for their righteousness. But that's a whole 'nother thread. I know people who are into covenant theology will disagree with what I wrote. But too many Christians today do apply things for Israel to themselves - the church. Paul does use the analogy in Ephesians of us as a bride, but he does not say we are the bride. It is an analogy. Too many promises to Israel are not for us, and too many promises to the One body are not for Israel. I see no problem with God having two groups - those on earth, and the new creation in heaven. As I said, they were called in two different time periods, have different callings and different spheres. If you really compare them, you have to do some twisting to make them fit as one group. I know you are a trained theologan and I am not. So I cannot argue point by point and go up against your credentials. From what I have read over the years, what I posted is what I think. If you read the OT and the prophecies - as the Bible is basically a book of prophecy - it is magnificent what God has in mind for Israel. I do not believe the "one body," the "new creation," the "one new man in Christ," us who are the "fullness of Christ's body" is the same as the Bride.

I will respectfully disagree with some of you here. I believe The One body and the Bride are not the same. We need only to compare the two groups and it becomes clear. First, I believe the "mystery" revealed by risen Christ to Paul while in prison in Ephesians is the culmination of God's purpose of the ages. I believe this age of the mystery, this age of Grace was unprophesied. It was not prophesised about in the Old Testament, nor Revelation. It was a secret, hidden from before the foundation of the world, but is now revealed to Paul. If it had been revealed Satan never, ever would have let Christ be crucified - never. He sealed his doom. Its like two hills. The old testament prophet could see Christ coming and crucified on the top of one hill, and look and see the hill behind it with the "kingdom of God" and Christ as King in Glory, but could not see what was in the valley between the two hills. The valley is the mystery kept secret. The age of grace, us. God uses a phrase "before the foundation of the world." From what I've read of it, its kind of like BC/AD to us. Its an important dividing line. Before the foundation of the world is Gen. 1:1 in its perfection in eternity. From, or since the foundation of the world is Gen 1:2 - the restoration of the earth after it became without form or void. There were only two "beings" called from "before the foundation of the world." Christ, and us. We were called in eternity. Israel was called "from the foundation of the earth." They were not called in eternity. This is two different callings. So, here's my little comparison: 1. Israel in time: Called from, or since the foundation of the world (Gen 1:2) Church in time: Called before the foundation of the world (Gen 1:1) - only Christ and us are called and purposed "before" the foundation of the earth 2. Israel: Holy spirit upon Israel Church: Holy spirit in us - we are sealed 3. Israel: Their sphere and dominion is the earth, fulfilled in Rev. with the new Jerusalem on earth, comes down from heaven Church: We are seated in heavenlies our sphere is heaven Jerusalem is not our promise or inheritance 4. Israel: Their eternity is in eternal, fleshly bodies on earth such as Christ's resurrected body was - flesh and bone Church: Our eternity is as as a new, spiritual creation 5. Israel: Their sphere is earthly Church: Our sphere is heavenly - we are seated in the heavenlies 6. Israel: They are promised "the Kingdom" on earth Church: We are promised heaven 7. Israel: Messiah and Israel rule over mankind on earth Church: We rule over and judge angels in the heavenlies 8. Israel: Israel is Christ's bride Church: The church fills up Christ's body in the heavenlies We are called to be a "new creation." Israel, is never called a "new creation" nor promised to be a "new creation." Israel is now "lo ammi" (not my people). The covenant connected with Israel as a NATION and their LAND is held in abayance until we are taken out of the way. When Israel rejected the prophets, the Messiah on earth who preached the Kingdom of God is at hand - it was here! It would have happened now if they had accepted Christ, and then, the last ditch effort by God of sending the 12 apostles to them to repent - it was still not too late, the Kingdom would have come - Israel rejected the offer and... God goes to the Gentiles, stops the prophetic clock, and now, calls us and makes a new creation - us. When we are gathered together, the prophetic clock will start up and continue again. That is why Paul tells the believers in Thessalonians, they don't need to know about the signs and times - those are for Israel (after we are gathered), not for those of us in the age of grace. We are told to look for Christ, not the Antichrist. For Christ, not what Russia or the EU or Nero is doing. But because Christians don't make this distinction between this unprophesied age and the OT times, they take the prophesies of the OT, of Christ in the Gospels (remember - he came ONLY to Israel in his ministry on earth - to call them to the Kingdom that was at hand) and apply these prophecies to themselves - which is not right, since we are living in an unprophesised time period. The prophecies of the OT are fulfilled and completed in Revelation. Thus, prophecy of the "end times" as many Christians are into today, though, while fascinating and wonderful to understand - do not apply to us. We are in an unprophesied time period. As the church, the one body, the new creation - as a different species that will be revealed someday: We are not Israel, who is the bride - they were never told they would be a "new creation." You have two different groups, called out at two different times, with two different purposes in God's mind, with two different spheres of being and two different destinies. We were called in eternity, we shall live in the heavenlies in eternity as a new creation - a new species, a new being that has never been seen or conceived of, except in the mind of God before Gen. 1:1 - conceived in eternity. Those are our promises. That is amazing grace.

When Christ was asked what was required of a man by God he said just "one thing" - believe on Him [Christ] whom God sent. A Christian is simply one who believes on the One God sent - Christ. He has invited Christ into his heart. Christianity is Union with Christ. All other ritual, regulation, do this, that, etc. is extraneous, not needful and not required. A Christian is a follower with a goal of unity with Christ. For me, its simple. Nothing more is needed.

You know, looking at them under the "friends" section - the one where they're all in overalls - they look like some characters from the movie Deliverance. I cannot imagine anyone thinking these hayseeds on some friggin' plantation in the middle of nowhere in Mississippi are even remotely spiritual, or qualified, or know or have any clue what's best for anyone's life. This is absolutely pathetic. Why would anyone put themselves in thier hands????? Young VP2P's smiling all over the place. Why? Because they've talked him into believing he is the next prophet, carrying on the old man's legacy. I see the same arrogance, aren't I special as I saw in LCM. He thinks he's the new MOG for this day and time. The kid's a star! Sorry, that house doesn't do anything for me. Its bare, devoid of life, with all the little fundy pics and posters. Just - ugh. The kid is their puppet. He has no clue. He's the front for the old dudes in overalls. This is pathetic. Run, run far away...