Mark Sanguinetti

The context of verse James 3:4 is our human relationship with one another as seen in the verses that follow the verse Waxit quoted from,. Here is information from the Nelson Bible Dictionary about commandments 4 and 6. Waxit you are really good at promoting your main and primary church doctrine which is the Sabbath day (Saturday). What church do you go to that promotes commandent four the most compared to other church doctrine?

I hope that Waxit at least sees that the sixth commandment of murdering someone should be a higher crime than the fourth commandment of working on the Old Testament Sabbath day, which to him is Saturday. Waxit will see that if he wants to. However, does he want to see that?

This chapter truly shows love through Jesus Christ, Judgement by mortal man for others is often not needed or required. The only reason for mortal humanity to judge others is to help the person, while doing this with a loving mindset like Jesus Christ showed. Certainly we can learn from each other. Thank you for mentioning Romans chapter 14 as a very good chapter to read and share with others.

With Saturday as the day of Sabbath according to what Waxit believes. Perhaps I was not sinning last night (Friday) as I got much needed sleep and rest for Saturday. However, after sleeping last night (Friday/Saturday after 12:00 midnight) I woke up very early in the morning and instead of sleeping again I WORKED by editing one of my biblical articles titled "The Authority and Supremacy of Jesus Christ". Perhaps according to Waxit and the day of Sabbath that I was SINNING while working to edit one of my biblical articles on Saturday. I am sorry church that Waxit goes to for working on a biblical article on Saturday. Perhaps I should especially apologize because this article was not about the importance of the day of Sabbath. Instead the article shows the authority and supremacy of Jesus Christ. However, perhaps after sinning, while working on a biblical article, I went back to sleep this Saturday morning and slept again for a few hours. Perhaps I got nine hours of sleep last night and this morning. Is that enough sleep on the Sabbath day of rest to at least lessen my sinful work? Of course, Jesus Christ was clearly accused of also working on the Sabbath day by the scribes and Pharisees when he helped people. So perhaps if I get accused of working on a biblical article on the Sabbath day. I am getting compared to Jesus Christ. If I got accused of this then perhaps I would say to my accusers; "Sorry I am not Jesus Christ. I am simply one of his followers. I hope this is OK."

WOW Twinky, you sound like a genius. But then maybe your two cats are helping you with this. Perhaps I should apologize for being a workaholic. However, I think there is no reason for Twinky to apologize for being a genius. But then maybe if I could pet Twinky's cats, I could be a genius too. However, in thinking while petting my head, perhaps in Old Testament times they had earlier evenings because they had no electrical lights to stay up late to see with. Therefore they went to sleep earlier than we do today, while perhaps waking up earlier than most of us do today.

Perhaps I was sinning by doing some work today, Saturday. But then maybe we are all sinning by not going to Waxit's church today, Saturday. Perhaps Waxit was even sinning because the church might be closed now because of the coronavirus and people not allowed now to sit side by side in public places. But then with the Sabbath being the day of rest. Perhaps I could be the largest sinner by working on another biblical article today to finalize my biblical book that I want to finish and get published. However, at least I got a lot of sleep with the start of Saturday after 12:00 midnight. I even slept until at least 10:00 am this morning. However, with me being in California and it being about 9:16 pm. for my time zone. Perhaps I am sinning now by writing instead of sleeping or resting. However, people in the Eastern time zone now. It is now considered Sunday at 12:16 am. Perhaps they are not sinning now by working.

I agree with you Twinky 100% regarding God's plan with major changes needed. And through Jesus Christ, God will get more and more people to change from hateful with big egos to loving while following Jesus Christ and his mindset. Perhaps the largest example of this is Saul who was also called Paul. People that are bad and evil will or would need to make a major change for, "all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth." . However, Paul who made a very large change from being hateful while perhaps being the main persecutor of the followers of Jesus Christ to being the main and most informative teacher of the New Testament saw the change that Jesus Christ could make with all of humanity. Even the ones like he was before he became a follower of Jesus Christ. It is certainly more than just only trying to follow the Old Testament law. It is through following Jesus Christ.

I am simply copying the below text from a Christian web site that I did. Matt 22:36-40 36 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?" 37 Jesus said to him, " 'You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets." NKJV And just who is our neighbor according to Jesus Christ? Is our neighbor only our fellow country men? Or is he or she only of the same race or religion that we are? Is our neighbor only some one that we go to church or school with? Jesus answers this question clearly in his parable written in Luke 10:25-37. When a person knowledgeable of the law asked Jesus, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?" Jesus answered him with a question relating to the man's own understanding, "What is written in the law?" In verse 27, he answered: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'"28 "You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live." But the man had another question, and asked in verse 29, "And who is my neighbor?" In replying, Jesus gave his explanation using a parable (figurative story), beginning in verse 30, Luke 10:30-36 30 In reply Jesus said: "A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he fell into the hands of robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, took him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two silver coins and gave them to the innkeeper. 'Look after him,' he said, 'and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.36 " Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?" 37 The expert in the law replied, "The one who had mercy on him." Jesus told him, "Go and do likewise." ' NIV So using today's language and scenario we have a lawyer asking Jesus Christ, "who is the neighbor that I should see as an example of godly love?" And Jesus tells him about a man that recently got beaten senseless with all his money stolen and then tossed on a curb inside a city near a church. Then the local church leaders and those with the lofty title reverend all pass him by and don't help him even though they see his condition and that he is literally dying. But then a common person from a neighboring city traveling through, who just happens to be from a family with a mixture of Jewish and Moslem family members as soon as he sees the man and his condition takes pity on him and does everything he can to help him. (If you know biblical history you know that the Samaritans of Jesus' day were a mixture of Assyrian and Jewish descendents.) The traveler immediately runs to the local drug store and buys bandages and cleaning and sterilization ointment. Then runs back to where the man is lying, thoroughly cleans all his wounds and wraps bandages with first aid antibiotic cream around them. Then lifts him into his car and drives him to the nearest hospital. Then stays with him until he gets medical help. Then tells the doctors and staff to do what ever it takes for this man to recover fully and that he will pay all the hospital and doctor bills. Then Jesus asks the lawyer, "which of the people that I have just described was a good neighbor to the man who got robbed and beaten?" The legally knowledgeable lawyer then answered, "the traveler from out of town who had mercy on him." Then Jesus told the inquisitive lawyer, "that is the example that you should follow and in doing this you should push aside any race, ethnic or religious prejudice that you might have."

WOW, it looks like T-Bone has a brain to think with, while even using it. I also recommend using our brains. Of course, regarding spiritual, I consider Jesus Christ as the head of the body. And inside a person's head is their brain. I hope I got everyone to laugh here, at least in part.

I wonder what church Waxit now goes to? It may be the Seventh-day Adventist Church. A sometimes promotion of church doctrine is what we did also when we were part of TWI.

I was simply editing my previous post, but it resulted in a new post. Here is my editing. Yes the cross of Jesus that he carried to his crucifixion needed to be nailed or roped to a tree or wood with a foundation in order to stand and not fall while Jesus was hanging on it.

Roman citizens were perhaps not killed in this manner as they believed that only foreign citizens to be executed in this manner. Since Jesus was a Jewish man from her mother. The Romans may have followed Jewish ways of death and nailed his cross to a large tree. Regarding the possibility of 4 crucified with Christ, instead of 2. This is not important to me. However, Jesus after being nailed to his cross could have had the cross nailed to a large tree. With another two also possibly nailed to the same tree. Then with three in a triangular position with Jesus possibly in the middle of the triangle. The other two could have been crucified with Jesus crucified with one on the left of Jesus and one on the right side of Jesus. A simple triangle. Yes the cross of Jesus needed to be nailed to wood in order to stand and not fall. Either that or they needed to use cement for the foundation of his cross and then have the cement dry, which takes time. And yes, a tree does have wood and is the source of wood. However, the word one seen in the above verse is not part of the Greek text using my biblical study software. Therefore it could have been two or four crucified with Jesus. The above relates to Waxit's comment below.

Waxit says the following with his mindset of mentioning Abraham. In reality Abraham is not part of the book of Revelation. He is not mentioned in this prophetic book. Instead this figurative book mentions the lamb of God, a phrase used to describe Jesus Christ, while following him. Here information from the book of Revelation from an article that I have written titled "End Times When Jesus Christ Reigns Supreme". One of my goals is to write and get a biblical book published. The question is what is the “Lamb’s book of life” and who is part of this? The Lamb’s book of life represents Jesus Christ and those who follow him. Only good or pure will enter into this and this is through following Jesus Christ. Next we have verses which show the free will of humanity. The choice being given to humanity of doing good or right or not doing good. In a favorable way, I see this as the followers of Jesus Christ being fully persuaded in heart to have the mindset of Jesus Christ. This is through learning about Jesus Christ in a favorable positive way and believing in Jesus Christ as Lord. Revelations 22:10-11 10 Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near. 11 Let the one who does wrong continue to do wrong; let the vile person continue to be vile; let the one who does right continue to do right; and let the holy person continue to be holy.” NIV Next we have more symbolic language of those who wash their robes. This shows that those who change from bad to good through Jesus Christ will be able to go through the gates into the city. However, outside of what he thought as the New Jerusalem John still saw those who were bad with him comparing them to dogs. Dogs are seen favorably today, but during the first century before dogs were trained to be good, dogs were symbolically seen as bad. However, just like dogs have been trained today to be good in nations like the United States. In the future under Jesus Christ more and more of humanity will be retrained to be good and followers of Christ. Then and only then will they be able to enter in through the gates into the city that represents the savior Jesus Christ. However, as read in Revelation 21:24-26, even nations or large groups of people will change, follow Jesus Christ and be able to come in through the gates. And the gates will never be shut. Revelation 22:14-15 14 Blessed are they that wash their robes in the blood of the Lamb: that they may have a right to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city. 15 Without are dogs, and sorcerers, and unchaste, and murderers, and servers of idols, and every one that loveth and maketh a lie. Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition What John saw was the free will ability to do good or not do good. In order to go through the gates into the city of salvation with eternal life, being a follower of Jesus Christ with his mindset is required. People that are bad and evil will or would need to make a major change. However, Paul who made a very large change from being hateful while perhaps being the main persecutor of the followers of Jesus Christ to being the main and most informative teacher of the New Testament saw the change that Jesus Christ could make with all of humanity. Even the ones like he was before he became a follower of Jesus Christ. For more details on this subject read the chapter titled, “The Salvation of Humanity Through Jesus Christ”.

Hi T-Bone. You write in a very polite way. I simply edited my post regarding the writings of Paul the apostle and Luke, the Gentile physician. Here is the part that I edited as I did the research.

Socks your understanding and your spiritual mindset looks very good to me. Regarding Jesus Christ and the question of do I believe he is God? What I tell people when I get asked this question. Jesus Christ is not literally God. He is instead literally the "son of God" with many verses that show this. Even more verses say that Jesus Christ is the "son of man", especially verses quoted from Jesus Christ. In comparison to Jesus Christ calling himself the "son of God", he called himself in his earthly life the "son of man" much more than calling himself the "son of God". This showed his humility and relationship to regular humanity or mankind. I follow this with saying that Jesus Christ is like God, while now being seated at the right hand of God making intercession for the saints or his followers. God his Father has given Jesus Christ all authority so that all the salvation of mankind is under the authority of Jesus Christ. I might even quote from 1 Corinthians chapter 15. When Jesus Christ finally reaches his goal of all or everything under His lordship or rulership, then Jesus Christ will turn back this authority to God his Father, so that God "may be all in all".

Waxit has primarily quoted from the Old Testament, while ignoring much of the New Testament. Does Waxit ever read from the writings of the apostle Paul? Paul was the teacher who wrote the most books of New Testament writings. Luke, the gentile physician, worked with and learned from Paul and perhaps wrote the most words content of the New Testament. In perhaps large part this was due to Luke's Gentile background, while knowing the Greek language well. Koine Greek was the number one most shared language of the world in the first century. The only verses from the New Testament that Waxit quotes from is only in part, while adding his mindset., for example his partial quote from John 14:15, while not reading the answer of the question presented to Jesus regarding "the great commendment in the law".

Even Israelite people in Old Testament times should see that murdering someone, which is also against one of the ten commandments, should be a higher crime than working on your farm to get food for your family on Saturday or Sunday, whichever is considered the Sabbath day. And Jesus Christ did some work to help hungry people on a Sabbath day as read in Matthew chapter 12. In the next verses the Pharisees even complain about healing someone on a Sabbath day, which for them was work and not godly faith. The Pharisees wanted to commit the crime, which we also have today, of murder for even healing someone to help that person. I hope that Waxit at least sees murder as a higher godly crime than not going to his church or another church on Saturday.

Does Waxit consider Sunday as the first day of the week? Again in looking at the calendar it could be the first day of the week or the seventh day of the week? Why is this important to Waxit? Regarding your doctrinal beliefs, which is more important to you? The writings of the Old Testament or the New Testament? Jesus Christ did not appear until the period of time with the New Testament and we now have the gift of Holy Spirit to help our spiritual understanding? Do you see that the importance of the Sabbath day of rest was primarily seen in the writings of the Old Testament? For example, the apostle to the gentiles named Paul, only mentions the Greek word for “Sabbath” two times in his writings. One of which is Colossians 2:16-17. 16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. NIV The only other usage from Paul, the apostle for the Gentiles in the New Testament for the Greek word for Sabbath is translated as “of the week” 1 Corinthians 16:1-3 16 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. 2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. 3 And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem. KJV The usage of the word Sabbath in the New Testament was primarily addressed to the Hebrew people who believed that this was a special day for people to gather together in public worship. The scribes and Pharisees sometimes even criticized Jesus Christ for not observing this day even though Jesus also observed this day. But Jesus condemned the pharisaical attitude that missed the deep spiritual truth behind Sabbath observance (Matthew 12:14; Mark 2:23; Luke 6:1-11; John 5:1-18). Mark 2:23-3:6 23 One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and as his disciples walked along, they began to pick some heads of grain. 24 The Pharisees said to him, "Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?" 25 He answered, "Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need? 26 In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions." 27 Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28 So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath." 3 Another time he went into the synagogue, and a man with a shriveled hand was there. 2 Some of them were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal him on the Sabbath. 3 Jesus said to the man with the shriveled hand, "Stand up in front of everyone." 4 Then Jesus asked them, "Which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?" But they remained silent. 5 He looked around at them in anger and, deeply distressed at their stubborn hearts, said to the man, "Stretch out your hand." He stretched it out, and his hand was completely restored. 6 Then the Pharisees went out and began to plot with the Herodians how they might kill Jesus. NIV

What is considered the first day of the week? Is it Monday or Sunday? As far as actual work in the United States and globally, Monday is considered the first day of the week regarding work. And then Sunday is the main day off with regard to work with our seven day weeks that are part of our calendars. Although grocery stores are still open even on Sunday so that people can go there to buy food to eat. Regarding comments, I think Twinky has made some good points here. And because of what we have today spiritually through Jesus Christ, making Sunday or Saturday a special spiritual day is insignificant to me. Through Jesus Christ, and God's gift of the Holy Spirit, every day can be spiritual to us. The question to me is are we getting enough sleep at night? We need sleep at least once a day to energize our lives because of our mortal in flesh human bodies. In the future when we get our Christ like spiritual bodies we may not need sleep then.

Jesus and the apostles knew they had to keep this hidden, at least partially. The reason was so much persecution by the religious elite with the scribes and pharisees who mixed religion with politics in order to try to gain more power, instead of being service oriented to humanity. Jesus Christ was service oriented to humanity instead of wanting political power at the time of his earthly life.

I simply like to laugh. I am okay, but perhaps not OkieDokie and especially not OkieDokie Artichoke.

Actually the main person that I give a subtle attack on or make fun of is someone named Mark Sanguinetti. I also call him Marky Spaghetti. Perhaps I should apologize to Bell and Mark Sanguinetti who I often call Marky Spaghetti I wonder who that is?

It looks like Jesus Christ in this teaching is addressing Hateful Hypocrites. I hope that we do not have any on this forum.

Well I also posted this in the other thread. You can simply ignore this here. Or if you want me to delete it here then I can. However, the question is does Bell see this also? However, the book of Revelation is very symbolic, not literal and is more difficult to understand than other books of the bible. Perhaps this book is to difficult for Bell to understand. However, I have to give Bell credit. It sounds or reads like Bell has a very good Bell of love to play and strike for music and sounds.

Next we have more symbolic language of those who wash their robes. This shows that those who change from bad to good through Jesus Christ will be able to go through the gates into the city. However, outside of what he thought as the New Jerusalem John still saw those who were bad with him comparing them to dogs. Dogs are seen favorably today, but during the first century before dogs were trained to be good, dogs were symbolically seen as bad. However, just like dogs have been trained today to be good in nations like the United States. In the future under Jesus Christ more and more of humanity will be retrained to be good and followers of Christ. Then and only then they will be able to enter in through the gates into the city, that represents the savior Jesus Christ. Revelation 22:14-15 14 "Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. NIV Revelation 22:14-15 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. KJV