Mark Sanguinetti

Thank you for the information. Also thank you OldSkool. Hopefully, TWI has improved their doctrines at least a little.

OldSkool, that is simply one of the doctrines that TWI taught, "that by our minds renewed to God's word we take the place of the absent Christ". I wonder if they still taught that from 1996 to 2008? Do other people remember that TWI doctrine?

That is the WORST ERRANT doctrine that TWI ever taught and promoted. I clearly saw that as I was leaving TWI in the late 1980s. I even wrote an article to help educate people as I was leaving in the late 1980s. The article title was and is: "Lordship of Jesus Christ Contrasting the Lordship of Imperfect Man". With editing I even added this chapter as one of the 16 chapters of my recent biblical teaching book. The following is quoted from this chapter. In addition, if I met one of the leaders of TWI now, I would try to correct this false doctrine in a peaceful way. Hopefully, they corrected at least some of this DUMB DEE DUMB DUMB, errant and false doctrine.

Good basics for what you copied or posted after this. I simply cover this with more detail in three of the last chapters in my 16 chapter biblical teaching book. Chapter Thirteen When Will the Dead Be Made Alive Through Jesus Christ? The first paragraphs of this chapter explain the original deception of the devil who is figuratively called the serpent. Here is the second paragraph with quoted scriptures after this paragraph and inside the paragraph, which I wrote. Chapter Fifteen End Times with the Judgement of Humanity Through Jesus Christ Chapter 16 End Times Purification of Humanity Jesus Christ Reigning Supreme Book with the title: Our Loving Savior Jesus Christ

Regarding religious or political people who want praise and honor from humanity instead of being service oriented to humanity like Jesus Christ was and is. The word "beast" is figuratively used a number of times in the book of Daniel and especially many times in the book of Revelation. For the New King James Version the word "beast" is used 37 times.

Interesting in that I cover this with basics and detail in two chapters of my biblical teaching book that are the following: Chapter 13: When Will the Dead Be Made Alive Through Jesus Christ? Chapter 15: End Times with the Judgement of Humanity Through Jesus Christ

Interesting and Jesus loved and still loves humanity even after he was persecuted by the people with religious titles such as the Pharisees and Sadducees in the first century. And this biblical teaching book fully explains this love that Jesus has. Our Loving Savior Jesus Christ

I at least found six: 1 Samuel 9:27, Luke 4:4, Luke 8:21, Acts 13:44, Hebrews 11:3, and 2 Peter 3:5

At least I capitalized God. There is NO need to also capitalize "word" in almost all usages of "word of God". Using my very good software program for bible study. The New International Version and New King James Version have only ONE usage of "Word of God" as read in Revelation 19:13. This simply refers to Jesus Christ in a figurative way as our savior with him tasting death for our salvation. There are 40 other usages of "word of God" in the New International Version through out the bible and every other usage has "word of God" with "word" that is not capitalized. Using the New King James Version there are 47 other usages of "word of God" that also do not have "word" capitalized. Again the only usage in the bible that has "Word of God" refers to Jesus Christ in a figurative way as our savior. Yes, we could have many people that teach about different needed subjects. Regarding the word of God. Jesus Christ in his earthly life was often called "Teacher", by other people. However, other people can also be called "teacher", for example Moses in Matthew 22:24. As one of the example of teachers.

It sounds like you may be a fan of VPW as THE TEACHER like he spoke in PFAL. However, I have ALWAYS seen, even when I was part of TWI, that VPW was one of the teachers, but NOT the only or primary teacher. Yes, I KNEW even when I was with TWI that VPW sometimes taught the true word of God, for example with his book "Are the Dead Alive Now?", but other times did NOT teach the true word of God, for example an audio teaching that I listened to in the late 1970s where VPW agreed with the Roman Catholic church with what he described as a hierarchy of leadership. In addition, he may have also agreed with the Pope as the Vicar of Christ as it relates to the Roman Catholic Church. Also VPW may have seen with other wording also as a type of Vicar of Christ for TWI. Have a good day, but I now have limited time to waste.

Obviously other scriptures read that we can learn from true followers of Christ who are truthfully and not deceptively teaching. Perhaps you do not want to learn from someone named Mark Sanguinetti. Therefore you can instead learn from T-Bone who also teaches with scriptures. However, I wonder if T-Bone will now be ignored because of any even small compliment from Mark?

Even though I have shared this with you in a simple manner. Perhaps you do not want to learn from me because I do not have a special high title. Therefore you could learn in a more detailed way from a bible commentary.

In context, this is referring to a teaching from a deceptive person and not a teaching from a true follower of Jesus Christ. Yes, we can learn from each other as long as we are truthful.

NO, this literally happened about 20 years ago. The person about 20 years ago deliberately tried to change my mind into his theology. However, before I taught at a church building to other people I had much more scripturally productive things to do and that includes reading the bible. Years ago when I was at a Roman Catholic high school and on a basketball team, the coach wanted us to say before the game the following: “God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit”. I wonder if the Roman Catholic Church still has that view? Do you have that view of the trinity? In addition with your following statement. Thank you for helping me laugh. .

T-Bone about 20 years ago at a church a person who aggressively wanted to preach that Jesus Christ was God. I was teaching at that church and doing some research for a teaching that I was doing. While doing research before my teaching. This person was very aggressive with me and was trying to distract me from my research. I did not have time for this person. Another person who I was working with had time to talk to this person. He read from 1 Corinthians chapter 15 with verses between 20 and 28, while explaining scriptural things to him. Then asked him when "God may be all in all" does this make us God also? Then and only then did the aggressive person walk away. In contrast, most people who believe in Jesus Christ that I have talked to that had a denominational church teaching of the trinity were NOT even close to as aggressive as this person was. One coordinator who is called father at a local Nativity of Christ Greek Orthodox Church here in California even purchased a copy of my book to read from. Because the word trinity is not in any version of the bible that can be found. Therefore I leave this word out of my biblical teaching book.

A person who believes that Jesus Christ is literally God could have much difficulty with these scriptures, especially when being adamant about this subject, while hearing or reading these scriptures. Jesus Christ being the first man or human to be raised from the dead by God to live eternally with God the Father placing all authority under Christ for the salvation of humanity. Jesus Christ must reign at least spiritually until he has put all figuratively under his feet or under Christ. When the goal of God is reached with all under Christ his Son, then the Son will be made subject to God or turn all authority back to God his Father, so that God may be all in all. A question for the Trinitarians, does this mean that all humans will be God also??? I do not believe that. Instead all could be like God with God reigning supreme over all in the new heavens and earth. I explain this in the last two chapters of my biblical teaching book from the last chapters of the book of Revelation.

WOW T-Bone you may type very fast. Unless you use software that allows you to speak with your words turning into type. You would be a typing genius or a super typer. Regarding the context of Colossians 2:9. This relates to Jesus Christ as the head of the body, which also is explained by Paul with more detail towards the end of 1 Corinthians chapter 12. Here is at least some of the context of Colossians 2:9.

Good comment Nathan_Jr. Actually if Victor was still alive and I met him. I figuratively might even hold out my hand like I often do with dogs when I meet them. To see if they wag their tales or bark. If they wag their tale, I could pet them. If they bark I will walk away. And I really like dogs.

Yes, the context of this verse is the word of God. This also shows applying the word of God in our daily lives with sincere love for other people. As quoted from the New International Version here is the context. Victor Wierwille was not 100% truthful with his teachings, but from his books he was at least above average. One day I even heard him speak at an event with one of his teachings. He described that at least one of you in the audience could or will have better teachings than I have taught. The year of this was a year between 1983 and 1985. This was a year after he had delegated authority as president of TWI to another person. The one time I met him I corrected him a little about the lordship structure of TWI. I figuratively did this by telling him, "You look familiar, but I can not remember your name, but it sounds like wear something." I wonder if people here are sad because they did not even try to correct any leader of TWI, when they were still with TWI? So perhaps they are making up for this by writing against Victor Wierwille on this forum.

Congratulations, for your ability to get me to laugh. Perhaps you are a humor genius and I am not.

Regarding the subject of dogmatic, perhaps I am only dogmatic, when I meet trained dogs who wag their tails and do not growl or bark. Perhaps, I could be considered dogmatic only when I meet friendly dogs while petting them. Was I successful in getting you to laugh???

That simply depends on the definition of offshoot. If you do not like that word. Another word can be used, for example separated. They historically were part of the Roman Catholic church, but they separated from this denomination and started another denomination. Regarding the word trinity, which is the primary topic of this forum. They do use the word trinity in their teachings. Here is a link with a web page that shows some of their teachings: https://www.nativityofchrist.org/our-faith-2/teachings/ Regarding the subject of trinity. Here are a few sentences on this subject copied from the above link. One of the reasons that this church separated from the Roman Catholic Church is that they did and do not believe that the Pope should have all authority, while teaching everything. Regarding the history of the separation of the Orthodox Church from the Roman Catholic Church. Here is a link for this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic–Eastern_Orthodox_relations

Victor Weirwille made a mistake with his book title of: "Jesus Christ Is Not God". But his book was at least OK. However, a better book on this subject was written by John Lynn, John Schoenheit and Mark Graeser and they gave it a better title of "One God & One Lord". I have a copy of this book and have read it. I even read some of the content of this book to Christians that were involved with the Catholic church and they agreed with the book content and even liked it. In addition, I explained this concept to an offshoot of the Roman Catholic church that call themselves the Nativity of Christ Greek Orthodox Church. I simply say that Jesus Christ is like God, but not literally God, he literally is the Son of God, while being seated at the right hand of God his Father. God his Father has delegated all authority under Jesus Christ his Son for the salvation of humanity. They agree with this. Also I explain that Jesus Christ in his earthly life showed his humility, while relating himself to common humanity by calling himself the "Son of Man", much more than calling himself the "Son of God". Yet common people and Christ's followers called Him the "Son of God" much more than they called him the "Son of Man".

Since another important biblical subject has mixed into this thread. I am writing now about this important subject. To be a leader in the body of Christ being service oriented is needed and required according to Jesus Christ in his earthly life. I saw the problem with the hierarchy of church leadership in the 1980s and when I met Victor Wierwille at an event in one of the south east states, I figuratively explained this to him by meeting him and then telling him, “you look familiar, but I cannot remember your name, but it sounds something like wear something”. Perhaps Wierwille then saw the problem with this because he was not the main leader of TWI then, with him passing the leadership to perhaps Craig Martindale. So Wierwille then replied to me with the name “werewolf”, which is an animal so we then laughed and Wierwille was with his best friend. Then I apologized to him for not calling him werewolf. Then we may have laughed again. One of the reasons that Victor Wierwille saw this problem near the end of his life, because he perhaps heard that his son was criticized at a meeting at the Rock of Ages, perhaps by Craig Martindale. Then I raised my voice while explaining to them that there was no need to criticize this son as long as he was service oriented. He could perhaps be a leader also and I reminded them that Wierwille’s son was perhaps not a leader in TWI. I then may have reminded them that any church leader should primarily be service oriented to help followers of Jesus Christ. Perhaps Victor Wierwille heard about the accusing of his son with me defending his son and perhaps again explaining to them that any church leader should primarily be service oriented. After this in the late 1980s, I wrote the first draft of one of the chapters of my biblical teaching book with the title: “Lordship of Jesus Christ Contrasting the Lordship of Imperfect Man”. With more editing, this is the fourth chapter of my biblical teaching book.

As it partially relates to T-Bone's comment, in my biblical teaching book I state the following in chapter Four titled: Lordship of Jesus Christ Contrasting the Lordship of Imperfect Man