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I've got to say the offer sounds pretty interesting especially if you're "young in the word" and in the 18-25 age bracket. The problem is that it's most likely going to be twi's opportunity to push the benefits of signing up for more "service" such as the ambassador and corps program. Their goal is always a "life-time commitment" to them.

I don't know when or where he revealed his identity on GSC (a link would be helpful), so it was still a secret to me. I think it does matter because is he here for a discussion or simply to teach his doctrine found in his books and on his website? I began to feel in was the latter after reading more of his posts and replies, so I decided to look him up here which lead to his post with his website which led directly to William Ayles. I don't know what the GSC rules say about this matter, but for me personally, I feel like he is misrepresenting himself.

Thanks Raf - I wasn't thinking of the confidentiality that is behind the names we give ourselves on GSC). I will reword my question to Revvel.

On your thread The Torah to Revelation, you write, "The entire book can be read online on my website: www.thetimeline.org" Are you William Ayles who wrote "The Mystery of God?"

When YHWH appropriated Baal’s praise (6-minute video by Dan McClellan) Interesting research when one doesn't rely only on the biblical ancient history.

What evidence is there that Jesus knew about the mystery before his crucifixion?

"...draw your own conclusions." Well, I hope it will explain why both Jesus and Paul believed the end time would come within their lifetime and when it didn't, Peter had to give an explanation to keep the hope going - "But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." Where is there any evidence of this being true in scripture other than Peter declaring it? My conclusion thus far is that the hope of Christ's return and all the great stuff that is promised to come afterwards is a pipe dream.

Thanks for the thread Raf. Concerning the above, what would you say about 1 Cor 11:23 where Paul makes a possible reference to Judas. He writes, "For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread?" Why would Paul claim Jesus revealed a "last supper" with bread and wine to him but not any of the other things you mention above? Paul might have influenced by the Greek myth of Dionysus - it's not a one-one connection but the idea of drinking wine and eating raw meat was associated with him.

The "seventy weeks" have been used to try and calculate either the time of the rapture or Jesus' return to earth depending on one's belief. Have your studies of the seventy weeks given you an idea of how soon the above will take place?

Hi Revvel, you've met the sarcastic part of me already. I'll be serious now. What was I spared from and why was I spared?

I googled the St Andrews Community Church in UK and went with this website ST. ANDREWS COMMUNITY CHURCH. Thank you for correcting me and I apologize for misrepresenting you. I should have asked you directly after your previous post whether you believed in the rapture doctrine or not. I assumed you did not.

Trumpeter's post about vpw was so over the top that I really expected there to be a "gotcha" at the end. He only had 9 posts on GSC though. Trumpeter Rascal did try to reason with him though on page 5 of this thread.

In reference to my post above, William Brooks (aka OldSkool) has recently downloaded a new prophecy called A Segue for The Faithful in Christ, Then Sudden Destruction on Earth.. IOW, it's again about the rapture and the following tribulation that will soon happen. This time though, the article is to give comfort to those who are having doubts such as these two quotes show: "Why are you downcast, my loves? Why does your enthusiasm wane?" "Why is my bride long of face in sadness and disappointment, as if they have been jilted by an unfaithful bridegroom?" It also seems to be for those who are struggling with sin and therefore, I assume, are afraid of not being faithful enough to be included in the rapture. For anyone interested, I will share more later in the thread Spirit of Prophesy by William Brooks a.k.a. OldSkool.

After spending time in OldSkool's book of prophecies which repeatedly spoke of the benefit of a rapture (for the faithful) happening right before the tribulation begins, I'd mostly forgotten how scripture has been interpreted to teach such very different views concerning the key belief of the return of Christ. Your post, therefore, came as a bit of an eye-opener again for me. I'd heard that the rapture doctrine was accepted elsewhere in the world at first but then became less popular. I checked your church's website and the last belief listed is "The personal and visible return of Jesus Christ to fulfil the purposes of God, who will raise all people to judgement, bring eternal life to the redeemed and eternal condemnation to the lost, and establish a new heaven on earth." No mention of the rapture, tribulation or the millennium. Then I did a couple more searches and saw that Wikipedia says: The Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, the Lutheran Churches, the Anglican Communion, and Reformed denominations have no tradition of a preliminary return of Christ. A pretribulational rapture view is most commonly found among American Fundamentalist Baptists, Bible churches, Brethren churches, certain Methodist denominations, Pentecostals, non-denominational evangelicals, and various other evangelical groups. I recognize the value of your last sentence as well as the secular enjoyments you list under your name.

There haven't been many points of view made on the specific topic itself considering the sub-forum it's on. If anyone who views this thread (195 so far) would like to discuss if there will be a rapture or not, please do. What I've seen asked on podcasts I've watched are these 3 questions. What do you believe? Why do you believe it? Do you care if it's true or not?

"a running joke" is pretty much name calling as well.

I agree.

If a political forum was to start on GSC, I would suggest the focus be on policies and not on politicians.

Both cool and groovy - that would be like you and Helen enjoying your right to freedom of speech. Not cool and groovy - an international news organization being penalized for calling it the Gulf of Mexico since that's how it's known everywhere else in the world.

God must have been very p$ssed with someone or something to have killed so many that time. Then there will be the 7 plagues in Revelation to look forward to - thank goodness though for the gathering together which will save Christians from this specific wrath of God - oh wait - there will be no rapture.

I appreciate how he shows the destructiveness of the false rapture doctrine. What is bothersome to me, though, is how he condemns the unjust killings from 2 wars (one that is currently ongoing and a nuclear one happening quite possibly in the future) yet he has no problem with the 70 000 Israelites he mentions who were killed by God with a plague nor with the last war he says is certain to happen. As he puts it, “God’s fiery judgment at the end of time – it is a heavenly fire, not an earthly one. At that day, the last day, the end of time, there will be no survivors (which he states 4 times).” Although he uses the bible to preach that there be peace, not war, in the world today, he is very political against Zionism.

Home The Way International About The Way Ask the Greasespot Cafe WHAT IS THIS PLACE? I find it very difficult to know that this thread even exists for someone new to GSC. I've been here for a while now and never even paid attention to the "Ask the Greasepot Cafe" link that shows under "About the Way." I went straight to "About the Way" from day one. I didn't know about until penworks' post of today. Is it not possible to have a sub forum called "Ask About the Way" with a description similar to "If you have a question about The Way International, past present or future, this is the place to ask?"