Nathan_Jr

Victor's only goal in regurgitating "you can't go beyond what you've been taught" is indoctrination by manipulation. The subtle implication is what you've been taught is wrong, but it's not your fault, because "you can't go beyond what you've been taught." But never fear, vic is here! He's gonna teach ya the word as it hasn't been known since the 1st century (and the 19th) rightly divided. First, you've got to "unlearn what you've learned." Next, renew your mind (turn off your mind), and git ready to absorb by BELEEVING what the teacher teaches. THAT'S the only way to go beyond the error you've been taught.

God"s the one having the difficulty. Got it. The human is not having difficulty hearing God. Rather, it's God's deficiency in communicating. Got it. Thanks.

"No man can REALLY say Jesus is Lord but by holy spirit." But no man can git holy spirit until he says Jesus is Lord. Gosh, this seems like some kind of paradoxical circle! Kind of a chicken and egg thing.

Thank you, Rocky. I wasn't raised in a fundamentalist-evangelical-Christian-jihadist-militant home. Though my mother definitely identifies as Christian, she would likely be labeled by many here as a liberal Christian. The opinions, assumptions and asserted claims of PFAL are ideological novelties to me. So much bullshonta sometimes, my head spins.

Serious question for anyone: How do you "git" holy spirit according to vic? I honestly can't remember. (I did remember the lowercase!) Isn't it the confession of J.C. as Lord and the resurrection, etc? I don't need a dissertation. Just a simple equation.

Oooooohhhh. Okay. And how do the get spirit? Confessing Jesus is Lord and believing God raised him from the dead?

ROTFLMAO!!

Except on that bright, sunshiny day when he spoke audibly to ol' victor. He spoke so that victor could hear him with crystal clarity through vic's old man, natural, five senses ears. Via physical mechanisms by the laws of physical mechanics. Out loud. Audibly. "Just like I'm speaking to you now."

I rest my case.

PFLAP was the last time I took a class by someone not apt to teach. In Elizabethan English, apt means skilled. A skilled teacher doesn't deflect questions. A skilled teacher takes the time to organize his thoughts so meaning is clearly conveyed. Above all, a skilled teacher is a skilled student, always willing to learn, willing to let go of rotten ideas, willing to embrace the unknown, willing to admit he is wrong so that he might pursue truth.

Let me be the first to say it: LOL

That's ALL we can do? Not so fast! That's all YOU can do.

Ok, OZ it is, then - I'll drink some Grange with you. I was an importer/distributor for many years, many years ago. I drank a glass of Champagne at lunch almost everyday. I appreciated that it paired with virtually every food and I could return to work sober. And the most effectual cure for a hangover is ice cold Champagne.

Something from southern Rhône? A Chateauneuf du Pape? Or maybe a Bandol? Champagne for breakfast, at least.

I forgot about this one! You are correctomundo.

It's only real if you beleeve it to be.

What about St. Francis of Assisi?

It's not?

Hopefully, Champagne!

Ya aintz gots ta lie, Craaaig.

Bold is nice. And I understand your original intent. It works, but it's limited, like victor's god. HOWEVER, When using adverbs and conjunctions like this, please, PLEASE, use all caps. kuala lumpur zhabba meetay (Thanks), NJr

Except on that bright, sunshiny day when he spoke audibly to ol' victor. He spoke so that victor could hear him with crystal clarity through vic's old man, natural, five senses ears. Via physical mechanisms by the laws of physical mechanics. Out loud. Audibly. "Just like I'm speaking to you now."

TRUTH. This is so good. Wow. Thanks, WW. Well said.

Mmmmph