Nathan_Jr
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Oh. Yes, righteousness as defined by victor. Not sure I understand how 1 Tim. 1:15 relates to "spiritual maturity." What is MacArthur's definition of righteousness? What is victor's definition of spiritual maturity?
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The preacher is victor?
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I don't know who this preacher man is, but he might have to fist fight VPW over this beleef. I might be wrong, because I might be confusing righteousness with spiritual maturity. "What is righteousness? Righteousness is the God-given justification whereby a person stands in the presence of God without any consciousness of sin, guilt or shortcomings." No one is a harsher critic of me than I. So, I don't need MORE awareness of my shortcomings. I'll take righteousness.
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I don't remember this phrase, but I believe it. The winced expressions of contempt were embarrassingly obvious whenever they heard about my altruistic activities. Usually, after fellowship, my wife would randomly mention some philanthropic cause with which I was involved - an effort to indict me. I was made to feel guilty, as if I should repent, be reproved and corrected, and instead of giving money to the local shelter for abused women or to the Arts, I should give that money to the fellowship. Literally. Actually. I had been involved in various philanthropic and charitable endeavors since I was a teenager, long before meeting my wife and her corps/twit family. They used it against me - evidence of my being spiritually immature and a mere babe in da werd.
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Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus. There is so much wrong in PFLAP that the attempt to justify what might be right yields diminishing returns. Let's say 1% of PFAL is good. The effort required to parse the material and sift it down to that 1% seems, well, misguided at best and ultimately futile. Whatever might be good has already been and continues to be taught by millions of others. It's all bad, and the 1% that is good doesn't change that.
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Thanks, Socrates. This guy is a good teacher. Though he is able to clearly articulate a complex subject, I think I'll still need to watch it a couple more times. It raises more questions than answers - not a bad thing. (Victor HATED questions.)
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A thought experiment: A man is warned of the severe health risks of the herbicide glyphosate. He is warned that it is known to cause non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. Advice is given this man on how to safely handle glyphosate - gloves, safety glasses, respirators, etc. The man rejects the warning and advice and chooses to spray his fields all day every day for 36 days. This man died dead of cancer. Now, did the glyphosate cause this man's cancerous death, or did he cause it himself? Who is responsible? @Mike
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Can this biological mechanism free us from good determining causes?
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Right. Everything is caused. Everything. And there is nothing that can be anything other than what it is. This even applies to choices and decisions. I beleeeve, because it’s very difficult to know, that Mike is talking about a completely different determinism. A mathematical one. One that affects hypothetical trains. One that doesn’t fit like a glove onto this discussion. And his free will definition, though novel, even cute, is a deeply personal and imaginative one. Again, causing discord in the dialogue.
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Is there any other type?
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Occam's razor. 60% of the time, it works every time.
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Was physics invented or discovered? I guess it depends on your definition.
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All this hardcore science sounds very top-down. Does the confabulation problem explain why Victor couldn't keep his snow storm stories straight? If victor rejected the advice from the lighting expert during the filming of PFLAP, and his free will rejection of sound mind advice caused eyeball cancer, and God idiomatically permitted the cancer because of victor's free will choice to reject God's angel, was the cancer determined by victor's free will? Or by God's permission? Either victor chose the cancer by his own free will, or it was determined by his free will choice and permitted by God's idiom. Can both be true? Bottom's up! Kuala Lumpur!
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Nope. Not just wrong, four crucified wrong.
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We aren't in a lab. It's a philosophical topic that does not preclude scientific knowledge. Neuroscience started abandoning Click decades ago. Not all, but many neuroscientists on the cutting edge see consciousness, not matter, as fundamental. Did you watch the Donald Hoffman podcast? You'd like it. Lots of name dropping of real heavyweight, superstar mathematicians and neuroscientists. So what? Exactly. I don't know, and I embrace this not knowing, which allows me to know - a paradox.
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Excellent points, Twinky!! Amen. To your point, for many years, I subscribed to and read BOTH the WSJ and NYT. Though I recently let those subscriptions lapse, I still try to hear/read multiple POVs. In fact, I do watch the BBC when I watch the news, but also the crazy on Fox and the crazy on MSNBC. So much bullshonta everywhere. Literally. Bullshonta. Everywhere. Listening to each other is so important. It seems very few know how to do that anymore. Just listen. Try to understand. You don't have to agree, but you might learn something. Confirmation bias is willful ignorance.
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I rest my case.
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But God gives the devil permission?
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Any discussion called Determinism and the Illusion of Free Will can only ever be philosophical, but this does not preclude a biological/physical/chemical understanding. We are talking about human beings. Or, some of us are.
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My FIRST real discussion of determinism was in 1995. I was 19 in college. It was a philosophy class. We read St. Anselm, et al. The class was not pedantic. It was exploratory. Challenging. Real discussions. It required rigorous examination of linguistic implications. Defining terms and assumptions. Questions and answers and questions. Honest, critical examinations. It was mind-expanding.
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Right. Great. Good advice. I think I was raised right. What about Just The Way It Was? What evidence was suppressed by editing out the fire?
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If he can open his mind and discard confirmation bias, he might find this thread most useful.
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What was so controversial about Just The Way It Was that it needed the fire edited out of it?
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What was so controversial about Just The Way It Was that it needed the fire edited out of it? Did the etiquette booklet advise to stand up when the TMOG entered a room?
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Damn. Some John Wick shonta here. God, I wish I wrote this. Who is this?
