Nathan_Jr

I don't know if he was a polygamist, but it wouldn't surprise me if he admired, even envied, polygamist cults. Polyamory might be more accurate, but that implies love, so that's out... I think he just really liked bonking women who would otherwise be out of his league, if it weren't for the manipulative, controlling cult he established. To me, it seems to be about entitlement. Not just all women belong to the king, but all everything... the money, the cigarettes, the attention, the devotion, the blind allegiance, the freedom, the power, the whimsical, nonsensical interpretations....

Think series. Serial monogamy is accurate. Most people are in one monogamous relationship after another. Serial polygamy? A stretch, but theoretically possible. I can conceive of it. I wonder if it's ever happened.

Good point. Jesus was a mere bastard Jew who couldn't even speak in tongues. Victor paul wierwille "taught" me that. Such wicked, spiritual stupidity! But Mike nor victor nor TWI are being misrepresented here. Anyone asserting fantasy as fact and leading those who seek God astray are surprised to be mocked, as they inhabit deep delusion and denial.

It's only iniquity if you believe it is. victor paul wierwille "taught" me that.

Amen.

Here’s yet another take. I don’t know if it’s “balanced” (whatever that means!), but it’s certainly perceptive and aware and insightful and accurate. What more could one ask of the historical record? It was so bad it took a FREAKING REASEARCH PAPER to call it out. Wow. Mmmmph. Mmmmm, MMMPH!!

When you distill these deep reasons to their essence, you will find that essence to be the imitation of and the standing on the shoulders of victor paul wierwille.

…by people standing on the shoulders of and imitating victor paul wierwille. Until you acknowledge this, your “balanced history” will only ever be propaganda.

Or how he got so many things wrong. All his error in his “handling” of the text. His failure, after all those years and hours, to achieve even low level mastery of Greek or Hebrew… so, so many errors… the clear stupidity of four crucified…

Who are you quoting?

Changes are very slow and small, tiny even. Virtually imperceptible. Slow, tiny change requires patience. Haven't you paid attention to anything Mike has said?

Get in line, take a number…

Right. To expound on what I freely admit: Sustained, persistent, willful ignorance, intellectual dishonesty, force fitting, and denial invite mocking and jeering. Indeed, EARN mocking and jeering. I always give you a chance to have an honest, direct, fair exchange. Always. I ask sincere questions, and you reject the opportunities to provide honest, direct answers. When you prove unable or unwilling to meet in that space, and lower yourself to devilish absurdity, ultimately, mocking and jeering are all I have left for you. I’m not a religious cult leader like victor paul wierwille, and GSC is not a religious cult like TWI, no matter how (H-O-W) you try to fit that glove on that hand.

Victor played God. Aren't we supposed to imitate him and stand on his shoulders? He said you're not even Christian if you don't tithe, because tithing is the LEAST you should do as a Christian. Less than the least is nothing = not even Christian.

This has been illustrated with bravely honest, detailed testimony by many here. No one is painting a one-dimensional picture. Well, maybe some are, but the most compelling pictures have a lot of texture, color, nuance. Rendering such a complicated picture requires rigorous, honest self-examination. There's quite a bit of that going on here.

So, you were causally determined to be here? There were? Please explain. Not really. Please do. Sounds interesting. Potentially quite entertaining.

I kinda hope they read them carefully, too, Mike. If I'm being hypocritical, I hope, even expect, to be called out here. (Edit: Will someone please show me my hypocrisy? I do strive for humble self awareness, but sometimes I miss that mark.) I am not at all attempting to gaslight you. But that accusation is gaslighting. I'm not taking that rotten bait. Always the accuser, Mike. I hope I am transparent. I try to be. I am not a deceiver or a huckster. Get ready to be surprised.

Not even.

No one ever, except you, said GSC is a religion of any kind. GSC is not a religion in any sense of the word religion.

In the conventional sense: to compel compliance. No one mis-represents here. HOWEVER, If one does, one is swiftly corrected by others or oneself. Sometimes mocking and jeering are are done for their own sake. Sometimes the mocking and jeering are invited, and that invitation is then obliged. Nope. That's not why I mock and jeer. If you go back and read one of my very first posts, I expressed how important your voice is here, especially as an interlocutor, a foil. I accept your position as contrary to the truth exposed here. I accept that you are in denial of the truth with a closed mind. I accept that you are not a free thinker. This sort of willful ignorance begs to be mocked and jeered. As ever. As always. Nope. Nope. No one here uses cult tactics, such as those developed and championed by vpw. This is not an evangelizing nor proselytizing endeavor. There is no outreach. It's an open forum for survivors of the cult of TWI. It reveals the truth of the abuse and error of victor paul wierwille and the freak of nature religious corporate cult he built. No one is dominated here. It's a hot kitchen, but everyone found their own way here. No one is forced to be here. Most are anonymous. No one's lives or livelihoods are in any way contingent on participation here. This could be my last post ever, and no one would care. Same goes for you. We were not invited or love bombed to be here. No one cares if we stay or go. If you want to start a message board for lovers of vpw and TWI, you are free to do so. It should be obvious to anyone reading these threads, apologists for vpw and his cult, though welcome, will not be received with a bouquet and a red carpet.

What an incredibly spiritually immature suggestion. GSC is not a religion, like victor's contrived TWI. Here abuse is exposed to the shame of abusive perpetrators like victor and Loy. Conformity is not enforced here.

Victor first taught this wickedness to his master student. In turn, his master student taught this wickedness to victor's beloved CORPS. There is no LCM without VPW. LCM was adopted by VPW; VPW's seed in dwells in LCM. VPW put oil on LCM's head -- OIL!! As every English translation of the Bible goes back to Tyndale, so all wickedness and failings of TWI go back to Wierwille -- ALL of it. A childish, spiritual immaturity blames LCM and makes him the scapegoat for victor paul wierwille's manifest contempt of God, Truth, Love. "Beauty is simply reality seen with the eyes of Love." - Tagore

I absolutely KNOW this was taught, because it was taught to me just a few years ago. My “teacher” of vpw’s version of tha werd rejected Loy but revered vpw as the number three man in the cosmic order behind Jesus and Paul. This abject wicked teaching that originated from vpw and was propagated by Loy is one of many hundreds of pieces of evidence proving that not only was victor not THE Man of God, he wasn’t even A Man of God.

Thanks for that clarification. Unbelievers, other Christians, whatever. VPW was an equal opportunist in his contempt and envy of anyone outside his cult. chiquita gwanchalay!

Lol! It could sound Ike a franchise model. It’s probably not. This company still exists in Columbus, OH, but they don’t have a website. It also sounds like a crude MLM structure, or a mafia model or even a Roman Imperial tribute/tax structure. Of course, VPW keyed off all three of these models when inventing his religion and constructing his profit machine. The advent of Amway and the modern MLM scheme coincided with a wave of new pseudo-Christian religious cults, gurus and hucksters. The pyramid schemes and the religious fraudsters learned from and fed off each other. They also competed with each other for dupes. PFAL opens with vpw lamenting the abundance of “other” Christians. At that time (and maybe even today) in the Midwest, no Christians were more abundantly prosperous than the handful of families at the top of the Amway pyramid. This did not go unnoticed by vpw - he wanted a piece of that action. So, he started his own cult. Yet, another take on the truth of TWI and the sand upon which it was built.