Nathan_Jr

Yikes!

Didn’t you post a video once?

Hey! I think TWI has one of those!

While your at it, will you please correct them on the errors of four crucified and crowing cocks? There are hundreds of errors that need correcting, but we should take it slowly, to your point.

Ummm…. Gwantchally peeahcherry?

Why would you equate the greatest commandment simplification with sin simplification?

I don't mind if it's mere speculation. Can anyone explain Mike's postulate: Greatest Commandment = sin

You do know OJ was REALLY guilty, right? And those gloves? Those were REALLY his gloves. He just pretended they didn't fit.

The Greatest Commandment, it seems to me, is a reduction of all other commandments into one: Love. So, it seems to me, it is already simplified. HOWEVER, for 2000 years this was misunderstood and complicated by churchianity, until victor came along and simplified it? For this we are to be thankful? I don't get it.

Can anyone help me with Mike's postulate? Greatest Commandment = Sin

And Ys

I quoted you in context. The context was not sin simplification, it was "greatest commandment simplification." I asked for clarification, but you went off on sin simplification. Based on the words you wrote and in context, how could anyone reasonably guess "greatest commandment simplification" REALLY means "sin simplification"?

No !!! You failed to absorb it the first time. superSTARsperm Got it?

I was referring explicitly and simply to the Greatest Commandment. Matthew 22: 35-40.

Because it is so complicated it requires simplification?

Right. He either commanded God or threatened God with an ultimatum. I think all cult founders make a claim of divine revelation or special, secret knowledge. It's a common, consistent trait, if I remember correctly.

I think the suggestion is vic picked up the serpent seed from Branham. That's plausible. After all, vic learned where he could -- it was putting it all together that was the original work. Maybe, they were both part of the zeitgeist of Pentecostal preachers in mid 20th century Merica. I suspect there were many more just like them. Branham had a healing ministry that he converted to a teaching ministry in the 1960s, because there was more money in teaching. They were both part of a trend, a movement of religious hucksters. They all followed the money.

Branham had a 1947 promise. Apparently, like victor paul wierwille, he embellished his story further to MAKE it fit with the establishment of the nation of Israel, but he screwed up the dates, like wierwille did with his snow storms. Branham said he had received an angelic visitation on May 7, 1946, commissioning his worldwide ministry.[74] In his later years, he also connected the angelic visitation with the establishment of the nation of Israel, at one point mistakenly stating the vision occurred on the same day.[75][75][d][e] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_M._Branham As victor paul wierwille was a Holocaust denier, Branham was a lover of the KKK. There are so many parallels between Branham and wierwille. Maybe Branham was the 6th THE Man of God.... (Got to track down that music coordinator.)

If you beleeve big enough, you can wait longer than that.

As children, we learn or are “taught” certain conventions and myths about animals, agriculture, etc. I always beleeeved that roosters were a farm’s natural alarm clock. Then, then, THEN! I lived in Central America one summer and found out roosters crow all day and night. So, when I read that bullshonta line in that book, I was astonished. Then, then, THEN! I remembered it was all self published propaganda. There’s at least one other poster who commented years ago on the rooster bullshonta. I don’t know which thread. Maybe WordWolf or Tbone knows. Reading that thread was just further validation of my suspicion.

The ridiculous whine about being ridiculed…. Simple Question Ridiculous Answer Mike: I have resumed reading it after hearing more of what is to come. The reason I soured on it was I could see early in the book, with her lament on "the Bible interprets itself." I could see that she had an agenda, that of pushing her shallow, wimpy, lifeless version of the truth about the Bible. So, more recently I find out here that she had a big complaint about the Reseach Department. I had a hunch what her complaint was, since I too had a hair pulling complaint myself, and I suspected they were identical. I got another clue to the same today in a PM that confirms my hunch, At the same time Charlene was at HQ I was there. She was a cutie, and I almost got a schoolboy crush on her, from a distance, until I found out she was married. I think I remember her at Rye also, but that memory is vague. Besides, I had a huge crush (from a distance again) on Kristen Skedgell at Rye, another later whistle blower, and that washes out my memory of Charlene there. I find it amazing how little old me got around. God showed me many things in my life, and led me to meet lots of people who were prominent in some way. I am currently writing down all my many adventures and sightings to remind me of God's grace to me. I didn't know it was happening untill recent years. I noticed lots of people had a hard time believing me, with all the stories I told. Many here have disbelieved my past stories. Funny thing is, when I started writing them down in one plade, I started having a hard time believing myself, that all these things happend to me or around me in my sight. I had to say all that before I write the next lines. Coincidentally, when Charlene and I were at HQ (me 76-78) I met Peter Bernneger, the author of the first Star of Bethlehem thing in the Way Magazine I reported earlier in another thread today. at the same time. We met because I was known to be a big science head, talking some with Earl Burton about improving his AC science gig. I also proposed a Word in Science to VPW, and he had a meeting with me to talk about it. Peter B was a sort of intellectual partner with John Fanning, another big science head, and we three talked about the brain and consciousness. Coincidentally, we all talked about the Research Department also, and they looked over their shoulders first, and then told me they were very unhappy with that department. They said it was cheating. Like the Schoenheit paper, I had a sneak preview of what Charlene talks about in her book, circa 1977. I pondered what Peter and John said and was on the lookout for problems, and I did actually see them a short time later. HOWEVER, unlike most who hear and then jump to concussions, I kept my head down, and just pondered it. Why VPW would cheat at research? I figured then, no one's perfect. But I was sad about it. Then 1998 rolled finally around two decades later and I got my answer. I was stunned at what I found, when I considered the possibly deeply that the 1942 Promise actually happened. I had treated it as an exaggeration, or a figure of speech or something. I figured he was only 26 then, so no big deal. I just didn't know until 1998. Now I understand. I have posted this about the research department before here. I should look for it and see if my story is consistent. Funny thing, how when you tell the truth, you don't have to worry about getting a story straight on multiple occasions many years spaced. Maybe someday I will finish remembering and collecting items and post the list here. I think God raised me up to do jobs with My Odd Life. Watch for it, coming to forums near you. "It's not Bragging if You can Really do it." - Babe Ruth

Is it JCOPS or JCOP that does the squishy math with Peter's denials? That's the one I remember leafing through. Lots of citations for the Latin Vulgate, I remember. And when I came across the (para?)phrase, "cocks crowed at a different time of day in Bible times," with no citation at all, I realized the book was not as serious or scholarly as purported.. All the footnotes of the Vulgate or Sinaiticus seemed like an answer to critics more than real scholarly effort. If it was a serious book, written by serious "superstar researchers," the asserted, opinionated claim about crowing cocks wouldn't have gone without citation. I don't doubt intelligent, well-meaning people worked on it - people with a lot of knowledge of the Bible, for sure. But the application of all that Bullinger math and bullshonta about roosters in "Bible times" was too silly for me. Claiming roosters behaved differently 2000 years ago is not a lie. It's bullshonta.

I don't think Dunning-Kruger effect is what I'm touching on. Are you suggesting I am?

Stretched Keurig?