Nathan_Jr

Sorry. Apology = defense. Defense of the priest doing the child focking. I know I couldn’t support the needs and desires of more than one wife. I don’t know how those men do it. I marvel.

A vile word. There’s at least one charismatic catholic posting here who apologizes for child rape and pedophilia in the church by euphemistically calling it a “sodomitic session.” I wonder how victor paul wierwille and his grads would counsel a victim of pedophilia or child rape? Would they say, If it’s done in love…

The kissing starts at 6:25

Ha ha!! Maybe! Or maybe I just Ike the word and am trying to MAKE it fit like a hand in a glove so I can feel cooler about my fantastical self than I actually am as I get older.

Ok. I get it now. Yeah, and SBF. Gross. That’s another fraudster who could have stood on the shoulders of victor paul wierwille. I wasn’t a part of a polycule like SBF and FTX. I was thinking more simply: A is dating B and C, but B and C are not dating, and all three are friends. Something like that. Maybe that’s not a polycule.

Had to look up polycule. I like the word, but I doubt the concept is novel. I may have been a constituent to a polycule or two in my twenties - should think about that some more. Had to look up Borg Cube, too.... still don't get it.

When you put it that way, it sounds exactly like my twig fellowship built on the shoulders of victor paul wierwille. Polyamorous relationships are difficult to grasp, because of jealousy. Jealousy has no place in such a relationship. I don't know anyone in a polyamorous relationship. They might only exist in the imagination.

I don't know if he was a polygamist, but it wouldn't surprise me if he admired, even envied, polygamist cults. Polyamory might be more accurate, but that implies love, so that's out... I think he just really liked bonking women who would otherwise be out of his league, if it weren't for the manipulative, controlling cult he established. To me, it seems to be about entitlement. Not just all women belong to the king, but all everything... the money, the cigarettes, the attention, the devotion, the blind allegiance, the freedom, the power, the whimsical, nonsensical interpretations....

Think series. Serial monogamy is accurate. Most people are in one monogamous relationship after another. Serial polygamy? A stretch, but theoretically possible. I can conceive of it. I wonder if it's ever happened.

Good point. Jesus was a mere bastard Jew who couldn't even speak in tongues. Victor paul wierwille "taught" me that. Such wicked, spiritual stupidity! But Mike nor victor nor TWI are being misrepresented here. Anyone asserting fantasy as fact and leading those who seek God astray are surprised to be mocked, as they inhabit deep delusion and denial.

It's only iniquity if you believe it is. victor paul wierwille "taught" me that.

Amen.

Here’s yet another take. I don’t know if it’s “balanced” (whatever that means!), but it’s certainly perceptive and aware and insightful and accurate. What more could one ask of the historical record? It was so bad it took a FREAKING REASEARCH PAPER to call it out. Wow. Mmmmph. Mmmmm, MMMPH!!

When you distill these deep reasons to their essence, you will find that essence to be the imitation of and the standing on the shoulders of victor paul wierwille.

…by people standing on the shoulders of and imitating victor paul wierwille. Until you acknowledge this, your “balanced history” will only ever be propaganda.

Or how he got so many things wrong. All his error in his “handling” of the text. His failure, after all those years and hours, to achieve even low level mastery of Greek or Hebrew… so, so many errors… the clear stupidity of four crucified…

Who are you quoting?

Changes are very slow and small, tiny even. Virtually imperceptible. Slow, tiny change requires patience. Haven't you paid attention to anything Mike has said?

Get in line, take a number…

Right. To expound on what I freely admit: Sustained, persistent, willful ignorance, intellectual dishonesty, force fitting, and denial invite mocking and jeering. Indeed, EARN mocking and jeering. I always give you a chance to have an honest, direct, fair exchange. Always. I ask sincere questions, and you reject the opportunities to provide honest, direct answers. When you prove unable or unwilling to meet in that space, and lower yourself to devilish absurdity, ultimately, mocking and jeering are all I have left for you. I’m not a religious cult leader like victor paul wierwille, and GSC is not a religious cult like TWI, no matter how (H-O-W) you try to fit that glove on that hand.

Victor played God. Aren't we supposed to imitate him and stand on his shoulders? He said you're not even Christian if you don't tithe, because tithing is the LEAST you should do as a Christian. Less than the least is nothing = not even Christian.

This has been illustrated with bravely honest, detailed testimony by many here. No one is painting a one-dimensional picture. Well, maybe some are, but the most compelling pictures have a lot of texture, color, nuance. Rendering such a complicated picture requires rigorous, honest self-examination. There's quite a bit of that going on here.

So, you were causally determined to be here? There were? Please explain. Not really. Please do. Sounds interesting. Potentially quite entertaining.

I kinda hope they read them carefully, too, Mike. If I'm being hypocritical, I hope, even expect, to be called out here. (Edit: Will someone please show me my hypocrisy? I do strive for humble self awareness, but sometimes I miss that mark.) I am not at all attempting to gaslight you. But that accusation is gaslighting. I'm not taking that rotten bait. Always the accuser, Mike. I hope I am transparent. I try to be. I am not a deceiver or a huckster. Get ready to be surprised.

Not even.