Nathan_Jr

If you beleeve big enough, you can wait longer than that.

As children, we learn or are “taught” certain conventions and myths about animals, agriculture, etc. I always beleeeved that roosters were a farm’s natural alarm clock. Then, then, THEN! I lived in Central America one summer and found out roosters crow all day and night. So, when I read that bullshonta line in that book, I was astonished. Then, then, THEN! I remembered it was all self published propaganda. There’s at least one other poster who commented years ago on the rooster bullshonta. I don’t know which thread. Maybe WordWolf or Tbone knows. Reading that thread was just further validation of my suspicion.

The ridiculous whine about being ridiculed…. Simple Question Ridiculous Answer Mike: I have resumed reading it after hearing more of what is to come. The reason I soured on it was I could see early in the book, with her lament on "the Bible interprets itself." I could see that she had an agenda, that of pushing her shallow, wimpy, lifeless version of the truth about the Bible. So, more recently I find out here that she had a big complaint about the Reseach Department. I had a hunch what her complaint was, since I too had a hair pulling complaint myself, and I suspected they were identical. I got another clue to the same today in a PM that confirms my hunch, At the same time Charlene was at HQ I was there. She was a cutie, and I almost got a schoolboy crush on her, from a distance, until I found out she was married. I think I remember her at Rye also, but that memory is vague. Besides, I had a huge crush (from a distance again) on Kristen Skedgell at Rye, another later whistle blower, and that washes out my memory of Charlene there. I find it amazing how little old me got around. God showed me many things in my life, and led me to meet lots of people who were prominent in some way. I am currently writing down all my many adventures and sightings to remind me of God's grace to me. I didn't know it was happening untill recent years. I noticed lots of people had a hard time believing me, with all the stories I told. Many here have disbelieved my past stories. Funny thing is, when I started writing them down in one plade, I started having a hard time believing myself, that all these things happend to me or around me in my sight. I had to say all that before I write the next lines. Coincidentally, when Charlene and I were at HQ (me 76-78) I met Peter Bernneger, the author of the first Star of Bethlehem thing in the Way Magazine I reported earlier in another thread today. at the same time. We met because I was known to be a big science head, talking some with Earl Burton about improving his AC science gig. I also proposed a Word in Science to VPW, and he had a meeting with me to talk about it. Peter B was a sort of intellectual partner with John Fanning, another big science head, and we three talked about the brain and consciousness. Coincidentally, we all talked about the Research Department also, and they looked over their shoulders first, and then told me they were very unhappy with that department. They said it was cheating. Like the Schoenheit paper, I had a sneak preview of what Charlene talks about in her book, circa 1977. I pondered what Peter and John said and was on the lookout for problems, and I did actually see them a short time later. HOWEVER, unlike most who hear and then jump to concussions, I kept my head down, and just pondered it. Why VPW would cheat at research? I figured then, no one's perfect. But I was sad about it. Then 1998 rolled finally around two decades later and I got my answer. I was stunned at what I found, when I considered the possibly deeply that the 1942 Promise actually happened. I had treated it as an exaggeration, or a figure of speech or something. I figured he was only 26 then, so no big deal. I just didn't know until 1998. Now I understand. I have posted this about the research department before here. I should look for it and see if my story is consistent. Funny thing, how when you tell the truth, you don't have to worry about getting a story straight on multiple occasions many years spaced. Maybe someday I will finish remembering and collecting items and post the list here. I think God raised me up to do jobs with My Odd Life. Watch for it, coming to forums near you. "It's not Bragging if You can Really do it." - Babe Ruth

Is it JCOPS or JCOP that does the squishy math with Peter's denials? That's the one I remember leafing through. Lots of citations for the Latin Vulgate, I remember. And when I came across the (para?)phrase, "cocks crowed at a different time of day in Bible times," with no citation at all, I realized the book was not as serious or scholarly as purported.. All the footnotes of the Vulgate or Sinaiticus seemed like an answer to critics more than real scholarly effort. If it was a serious book, written by serious "superstar researchers," the asserted, opinionated claim about crowing cocks wouldn't have gone without citation. I don't doubt intelligent, well-meaning people worked on it - people with a lot of knowledge of the Bible, for sure. But the application of all that Bullinger math and bullshonta about roosters in "Bible times" was too silly for me. Claiming roosters behaved differently 2000 years ago is not a lie. It's bullshonta.

I don't think Dunning-Kruger effect is what I'm touching on. Are you suggesting I am?

Stretched Keurig?

Charity, I would encourage you to read widely and deeply on GSC. Many dozens of victor's asserted claims have been refuted with evidence here. Current posters have convincingly refuted victor's quackery, as have others who aren't so regular anymore, like Raf and Skyrider and Penworks... (and others I can't recall at this moment.) There is nothing to fear, including the possibility of being wrong. When one first admits to not knowing and embraces that not knowing, so much will be revealed that was previously unseen by smug, all-knowing eyes. When one admits to knowing nothing, one can know so much. A paradox.

This is such a typical, childish cop out maneuver. Anyone serious about real, honest research would be happy to have a an honest discussion about it. Arriving at a different conclusion doesn't mean one thinks they know more than somebody. It just means one is no longer convinced of the other's proposition. That leader, imitating victor, was likely too embarrassed of his own ineptitude (again, imitating victor) that all he could do was deflect and pout (again, imitating victor).

Thanks. So John S. Isn’t a research superstar after all. I haven’t read Juedes’ refutation, but it’s not hard to do. I worked it myself. Four crucified is a willfully ignorant proposition.

Thanks! I know Martin was very enthusiastic in his own Biblical research. And he was a contemporary of victor paul wierwille. I'm curious, does anyone know whether or not Martin bought into the four crucified bullshonta?

No, you don't know? Or, no, he didn't buy the bullshonta?

Naturally. If victor paul wierwille was wrong about PROS and DECHOMAI and four crucified and the bastard bar mitzvah and.... what else could he be wrong about?

Right. Some of his logic seems compelling, as does the logic of other scholars with different conclusions. Do you know if Martin bought into the four crucified hoax?

Has anyone tested and verified Martin's proposed dating? Does he propose this birthdate as a probability or a certainty?

Not a counterfeit, not even a close counterfeit, but a close, close counterfeit?

You FINALLY got it right! So, so right! The duck just sits there... like a duck.

That duck weighs itself.

Wrong administration. You're confused about to/for.

I’d keep it foundational, Biblically derivative. With this in mind, the only REAL way to know is to deliver a beating. If she doesn’t die within two days, she’s innocent.

ROTFLMAO….they call it HQ

60% of the time it works EVERY time.

There’s a whole chapter on how (H-O-W) to poison one’s wife to test the validity of one’s insecure, neurotic suspicions.

@Mike Which one of the following is an UNVARNISHED historical account of the so called 1942 promise? A) God spoke audibly to victor. B) victor asserted a claim that God spoke audibly to him.