Nathan_Jr

So, literally all day and night at church? Sounds exhausting.

What’s the difference between STS and SNS?

Sounds like the problem isn’t a time constraint, it’s him. As he “spiritually matures” and graduates far beyond what he was taught, he will learn to be throughly effectual in the time allowed.

Thanks. Time constraint? What a cop out. (It’s only a constraint if you beleeve it is.) Any limit, including time, can and should foster creativity, efficiency and focus. If it doesn’t, the problem isn’t the limit, it’s the attention on the constraint and not the solution. The adult attention limit is only 45 minutes, or somewhere close. Two hours of holding forth… Yikes!

What is the time constraint? Anyone, please.

Who is the betrayer? Let him find out. Let him cleanse the oil from his head. Let him get humble. Let him get meek. It’s vitally important that he deeply feels this perceived betrayal. It’s essential for him to find out what it means to be betrayed and what it means to be the betrayer.

Never! Don’t do it…. Dooooon’t do it! It could be deadly. You might pass out from boredom and drown.

Right. But it’s not my mention. I was quoting Alexandra Stein from the excellent article Bolshe linked up thread.

If the baby and bath water idiom was available to Jesus, he might have said: If your water is polluted by a rotting corpse, throw out both the filthy water and the rotten corpse that pollutes your water, and fill your tub with fresh water.

From the article: “Stein’s research5 indicates that the closed, fearful world within a cult is designed to promote a relationship of disorganised attachment to the leader or group: a combination of terror and ‘love’ that is used to emotionally trap and cognitively disable followers. All such groups arouse fear by employing a variety of threats – dangers in the outside world, predictions of apocalyptic events, harsh criticism or the threat of exclusion. Fear can also be aroused through emotional and physical means, such as guilt, exhaustion and physical punishment.“ mmmph

It seems so many don’t know how to listen. Too often people listen with a purpose of confirming bias. And the wheels keep spinning, digging deeper into the mud. A closed mind confirming bias is a withered mind.

When you let the Bible interpret itself, it can mean anything you damn well want Or once you achieve “spiritual maturity,” it can say and mean anything you NEED it to say and mean. That’s the beauty of it. That’s the simplicity. Just tremendous!

Talking about Romans earlier reminded me of the error of victor’s exegesis of Romans 13.

Careful, Mike. It's actually NOT a vast misrepresentation of what you wrote. Whether you understand the great commandments together or separate, synthesized or parallel, you miss the mark on understanding because you choose not to go beyond the "spiritual immaturity" of what victor taught. Your grocery store bit is a mark miss. You just don't get it. Victor didn't get it, either. Go back and re-read that grocery store bit together with WordWolf's treatment of Who is Your Neighbor? You keep claiming people misrepresent you here. That simply is not true. It's a lie.

It's actually a relatively short T-Bone post. And the WordWolf post is short, also. You could easily read them while dropping a deuce or eating pistachios.

I think T-Bone's post sufficiently rightly divides the sin simplification concept. I might take his treatment a step further to consider replacing SHOULD with WOULD.

It sounds like you don't get it. Please read WordWolf's post on who your neighbor is.

1974 or 1975. I would estimate he's sat through that "class" 75 times, or more. He left in 1986, so I beleeve he missed the homo purge, which he would have enthusiastically supported with jackboots on. No one loves to hate gays more than my twig commander. Ever see American Beauty? Kinda like the Chris Cooper character, except hippy. If you want to understand the concept of sin simplification by way of the greatest commandment, read T-Bone's post up thread. If you want to learn more about the greatest commandment, who your neighbor is, read WordWolf's response to me up thread. I recommend both T-Bone's and WordWolf's posts on this topic as essential reading.

No. I just think it's interesting how important the Romans and the Roman Empire were to the spread of Christianity.

Ok. Maybe anti-Semitic or anti-Hebrew more accurate?

Exactly. Thank you.

I think your opinion is probably right on accurate about this. It's all (without exception or distinction) about the money.

Interesting. Doesn't Paul salute a Herodian at the end of Romans? A case could be made that most of the NT is written from a pro-Roman and anti-Jewish perspective. A curious irony.

That's right. And the second is LIKE the first -- Loving your neighbor as yourself is LIKE loving God. They seem to me to fit together seamlessly, reflexively, like a hand in a... One must find out for oneself the deep meaning of the two greatest commandments. It's silly for me to explain it. He didn't lay out more than two, and he said the two are like each other. To make a hard distinction between the two greatest commandments potentially hinders a higher level of understanding. And notice, he doesn't limit love to your fellowship brother or your fellow twig laborer or the girl that shares your commitment to some guru -- he says your NEIGHBOR, yourself and GOD. There are no contingencies, no numbers by which to paint, no complex, systematic, theological formulations. It's so simple, yet so, so profound. I was taught with great deceptive subtlety by my twig commander to not even waste spit on my neighbor. This twig commander follows the original books and collaterals of victor paul wierwille ONLY. He is unwilling to go beyond what he was taught.

Since day one. The cornerstones of the foundational foundation are selling classes and literature. Everything else is propaganda bullshonta to serve that end. Victor was riding the wave of huckster evangelism when he launched this churchianity enterprise with dollar signs in his eyes. Branham was doing the same, as were many others. He pivoted from a healing ministry to a teaching ministry, because there was more money in the teaching. And the Bible, and salvation, and "spirituality" were the hooks to reel in the dupes.