Nathan_Jr

What is immediately obvious to me is the principle was downgraded from GREAT to basic..

I'm with you. I find it very difficult to listen to ANY preacher with ANY accent -- mainly because of all the preaching. Thank God for closed captions, subtitles and transcriptions. To my ears the most repulsive, condescending, cringey voice is that of Mark Ward. HOWEVER, his text-critical work is good, especially his work on translations and KJV-onlyism. His methodology for word study within the KJV is a game-changer. But his voice gives his face a reason to be slapped.

Juedes' videos on YouTube were essential for me when I discovered them. I don't know what his religious theological position is, but it doesn't matter, because he doesn't let it get in the way of the dismantling of victor paul wierwille's bullshonta. I just don't like listening to his voice, though his content is accurate and important. I can't listen to victor's voice, either. It grates.

I agree. And it is.

This is gaslighting in the form of victim blaming. I know this well. It triggers me to read it. I'm a pacifist, but this inspires fantasies of violent retribution.

Where have I heard this argument before?

Excellent. Thanks for this! Haven't read all of it yet, but.... mmmmph! I'd rather read Juedes than listen to him, but his videos are important, too.

I get it. I really do.

Just curious. Have you read James Tabor's The Jesus Dynasty? https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/545867.The_Jesus_Dynasty?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=u7ilh5XQ0a&rank=3

I'm not trying to have a conversation with Mike, even if that's what it looks like. I am telling my story. My story is not meaningless, though a conversion with Mike is beyond meaningless, as you so accurately point out. victor paul wierwille and the family of sycophants I married into destroyed my life. I'm simply putting it all down on the page. One of the main reasons I come here is to sort it all out. To write it all out. Mike can be a foil, but I have never pretended to be able to persuade him. I am not arguing with him, nor have I. When I first came to GSC several years ago, I thought it was a pro-TWI forum. I don't remember what thread it was, but it didn't resonate with me. It might have been an incoherent rambling of Mike's. But I had questions. So, I remained in the dark for years before I came back. Mike's bullshonta and delusions and deceptions cannot stand. I am not arguing or conversing with him. The truth I am telling will resonate with someone else who is trying to sort it out for themselves. The truth I am telling will rise above Mike's deception.

My fellowship commander and those caught in his orbit, including my narcissist ex-wife, read victor's books and collaterals only. ONLY. They watch the PFAL class over and over. The only propaganda they consume outside of victor's propaganda is network news on TV. So, it's disinformation on top of misinformation on top of propaganda on top of conspiracy theories on top of inaccurate Bible teachings on top of victor's shoulders. It's bullshonta and lies and destruction all the way down.

I'm not talking about TWI folks. I'm talking about people who can't see over the rim of the soup bowl they're stuck in because they're standing on the shoulders of a dwarf. I'm talking about people who tell the same stories over and over of the good ol days in the '70s. My fellowship commander and his family reject LCM and TWI -- or so they claim. They imitate victor only. They refuse to go beyond the inaccuracies they were taught. I can't see for them. I can't make the blind man see if the blind man loves his blindness.

The tension is theirs. I never participated in their learned condemnation. The blindness and shallow perception is theirs alone. The desperate, delusional clutching and clinging is theirs alone. Though I can see, I cannot see for them. Though I can hear, I cannot hear for them.

And LCM inherited EVERYTHING from victor. No matter how one parses it, it all goes back to victor, as every English version of the Bible goes back to Tyndale.

No contact mainly applies to my ex-wife. It's challenging because we have a child together. No contact also applies to her victor-worshipping family because they lack in depth awareness and perception. They magnify her narcissism because they lack discernment. Again, they choose not to go beyond what they were taught, so they walk in their own destructive blindness.

It is fundamental to survival and healing. All other tools will be throughly ineffectual if one will not go no contact. IMO.

My TWIG commander first took the class around '75. Went WOW, then CORPS, then family CORPs in rez something something... left in '85 or '86. He only reads the writings of victor. ONLY. He refuses to go beyond what he was taught.

I use it because it's understandable to everyone, I think. And it's fewer key strokes. It is always called fellowship. One is either in or out. I use commander instead of coordinator because... "Headquarters"... just "keying off" that military imagery invoked by TWI's own lingo. No contact. He is one of my ex-wife's most supportive and duped flying monkeys. All the talk of discerning of spirits, yet he can't even discern that he is being used by a narcissist.

My twig commander trusts no one. It is a badge of honor for him. He brags about it. He offers the claim unsolicited. He lives an insular life. Rarely leaves his house. Has no friends. Surrounds himself with his family that is as duped as he is about victor and the cult victor built. As a result, no one trusts him, either. Except his duped fellowship members.

if, If, IF... HOWEVER, Weren't the intentions defined? Thirty-six hours later, who could remember what they were. It's like the origin of San Diego. No one REALLY knows what it means.

Mathematical exactness and scientific precision are required to rightly divide this question. Really, this is a question best reserved for the end. Write it on a 3x5 card. Stuff that card in a jar of pickles, then, Then, THEN hide the Quaaludes in the apple butter. See? It all fits like a hand in a glove.

Oooooohhhh.... Kinda like recalling, and reciting in an unknown language, a verse from the Bible that is in no way related to losing your car keys. Or even like loosed hounds chasing a duck. Or like oil, even. OIL. Got it!

It is.

WITAF does this mean? Word study?

Make it your own 3x5 card? It's a superstar thing. It's impossible to understand with your understanding. You've just got to beleeeeve.