Nathan_Jr

So, the crucifixion pays for “old man” sins and the daysman makes a plea for “new man” sins? But why do we need a daysman to make a plea deal when, if we act in the love of God, we can do as we fool well please?

Ekklesia doesn't mean "called out" just as butterfly doesn't mean:

Mike: "Then there was the Rock of Ages 1972 movie, and VPW gently taught the little boy that Jesus was inside." I have mentioned this a few times. victor told that little boy Jesus was NOT up there but inside that little boy's chest. If only we could find that little boy, who is all growns up, we could meet him at Starbucks and have a coffee with Jesus. That little boy is all growns up now... with Jesus inside, not absent, not up there, but inside that little boy, who is all growns up now.

Why does the absent daysman need to plea a case when the case was already settled - bought and paid for?

Not an answer, but a cop out. I'm not surprised. That's what imitating victor does for you. The irony. Victor paul wierwille hated cop outs almost as much as he hated the truth. No need to convert image to text. Just post the original scanned image. I still wish I could read it in the original.

So, the Bible takes the place of the absent daysman.

Wow… …profound… radical… so accurate.., so… divided, rightly… …just.. mmmph

Why? What was wrong with it? What changes did you make? I wish I could read it in the original.

Man On Fire

Right. I was frequently told, "You should be thankful to Doctor Wierwille for teaching you tha werd." It's a form of gaslighting. It's a wicked thing to say. But it was only important to THEM that I take "the class." I never wanted to take it. I always politely declined and changed the subject. (I was already used to deflecting the pressure from my aunt to join "the business.") IIRC they thought they would receive extra "heavenly rewards" for everyone they signed up. I thought: Now, that's a dandy. "kuala lumpur mogadishu carne asada." Interpretation: I'm still waiting for that "thank you."

Cypress Hill?

Never got a "thank you" for sitting through it the first time. I'll pass.

Damn, you're good, Waysider. Perfect!

He sure did! I almost forgot about that. Guess I didn't fully absorb it the first time.

That's a bold theory. Radical, even. Mike is an expert on gravitational waves. He has a folder full of notes and essays on Einstein. It's archived.

Maybe. My fellowship commander used to point toward the ceiling (or sky) when talking about his Gawd or Jesus. I think he meant it literally as a spatial reference. Mike said his Gawd requires binoculars to see his children. His Gawd is far away up there. Again, it's spatial. I think he means it literally, also.

Yeah. "Up there." Always thought that was strange. But it fits with a flat earth model. If there is UP, there must be DOWN -- turtles all the way.... So, so, so many questions, indeed.

Not at all.

Wow. Just.... wow... Victor can hardly open his mouth or copy a page of text without showing his hand. A man of God? Which god? To validate this trivialization and conceptualization of God, beleeef is required. A trivial concept of God must be TAUGHT and then beleeeved.

Mike: "God covers for us the best He can" **** What a patronizing, condescending thing to say. What does "God's best" look like? Sounds like it won't be quite enough. Sounds like another limit on what God is able to do.

Mike: It is good to keep diligent track of what you know for sure from what you don't know for sure. Nate: I doubt it. I don't keep track. I don't need to. It wouldn't help. It's a silly waste of time. (I already have plenty of silly time-wasting pastimes.) The problem is tracking the unknown unknowns. There are things I know that I know - known knowns. There are things that I know I don't know - known unknowns. And then there are things that I don't know that I don't know - unknown unknowns. How do you track the unknown unknowns? You can't. That's how. H - O - W

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts."

I don't know, but I do know it is used as a source of great conflict and division. I never really knew that the Bible could be used for those things until I took "the class."

And no one to teach it. The Teacher was still hundreds of years away in the future. God was unable and unwilling to teach anyone anything during the medieval period. This, according to The Teacher.