Nathan_Jr

No. Not really. Or, not REALLY.

Right. But according to your beleef, a character, a person, of light. Just trying to understand your concept of God.

Right Fire engine red drapes are definitely material. They really do sit there like a duck.

I got exactly what you meant. You called God a character. It's telling.

Thanks for that, but I can get the referral and prescription for free. It's just a matter of putting one foot in front of the other. It's easy here, too. It will be federally legal soon. After all, it's like drinking a beer, only not as physiologically detrimental. And it sure does round off those angles, smooth out those corners.

Fire engine red drapes. I guess that little fiction was about "spiritual" abundance.

Yikes! Not so fast! Kaneh Bosm is fully legal in 22 states, plus Washington D.C; medically legal in 16 states; and decriminalized in 9 states. Though it's still federally illegal and classified as a Schedule I controlled substance, along with heroin, PCP and crack cocaine , the Justice Department and DEA will not prosecute in legal states. (You can thank Obama for that.) The real hurdle, federally, is bank regulation. Banks are part of a federal system and are insured by the Fed, so they can't do business with companies engaged in federally illegal business. I have family in San Francisco. Their fridge and pantry is always well stocked. I sleep so well when I visit them. It's medically legal in Louisiana. I keep meaning to get a prescription, but I've been too lazy -- that's what I get for imitating victor.

NO! STOP! NOT SO FAST! No new questions until mine is answered. Why did you feel the need to make a point about not using stopwatches during "excellor" (real word?) classes?

"It doesn't [matter what you do], unless you believe it will." -- victor paul wierwille

I’ll repeat myself: that’s not what caught my attention. In fact, I braced myself for the prosperity gospel that would surely come. I had family in Amway — PFAL was not my first rodeo with bullshonta slinging clowns. Nothing about “the class” or poor little victor attracted me. I only took it as a Hail Mary pass attempt to save my marriage. PFAL was soooo important to my ex wife and her entire extended family who sat at the dead feet of victor. I sat through “the class” with an open heart and mind desiring nothing and only hoping for peace, harmony and unity. What I got instead was total destruction. Adding insult to injury, no one ever, EVER, thanked me for enduring those 36 hours. The only one to ever seek and acquire abundant carloads of money from PFAL was victor paul wierwille.

Welcome, Redrock. The book burning thing is abject wickedness — one of hundreds of utterances proving vic was not the real deal.

You didn't cite me here. You took my material nearly word-for-word in places, and idea-for-idea in places. And assuming you and I have discussed this before, you switched positions on this issue of PFAL p.83 and come over to my side, the side I've been posting on here for 20 years, and I was always opposed by everyone on it. I think I owe a thanks to Nathan Jr for first recognizing I was rightly dividing PFAL page 83. GADS! YIKES! I wasn't recognizing a "rightly dividing" of anything. I don't use that phrase. I recognized the implications of victor's careful, serpentine wording. T-Bone concisely explains the implication above. HOWEVER, just because victor implies that some of what he writes is God-breathed doesn't make it so. MOREOVER, that he makes such an implied claim for himself is the only sign one should need proving that NONE of what he writes is God-breathed. victor tipped his foolish hand with this subtle implication. And the hand is wearing no glove.

NO! STOP! I comprehended perfectly what was going on. And I could never feel bad about that.

Ohhh! You simply did not understand why VPW made his SIT sound that way. NO! YIKES! I wasn't referring to his lo shontas. I was referring to the ENTIRE "class." NO! NOT SO FAST! I had no expectations at all when I took "the class." I went in seeking NOTHING, desiring NOTHING, judging NOTHING. I went in with a free, clear and open mind and heart. Only from such a place can one discern and perceive with clarity. NOW, why did you make it a point not to use a stop watch in the excellor classes?

Yes! That's what I meant. Sorry for my confusion.

I think the Quran makes the same claim, or so I’ve heard. One can be assured that anyone claiming to have the answer to everything is the one who does not.

You can take it, Human.

Was reaching around for some cookies and stumbled into this thread. Bumping because of all the fresh-baked goodness within.

All of this is about intelligibility. It's about people understanding what is said. Prophesy is more important than SIT because it's intelligible. Paul begins and ends this chapter with the intelligibility of prophesy being more important than SIT. Sure, don't forbid SIT, but please, someone needs to interpret that shonta! That's why it's dangerous to call on someone to speak in tongues. He may not be able to interpret, but nonetheless feels compelled to adhere to groupthink and SIT. Hence, the contrived interpretations. It's mean to call someone out to SIT and interpret. victor placed way too much importance on SIT. He totally misunderstood what Paul was trying to tell those babbling Corinthians. SIT is the most overrated of the gifts... or manifestations... or whatever one need to call them. (IMO, verse 34 and 35 are later interpolations designed to smooth out and harmonize a similar teaching in Timothy.)

victor gaslighted people into SIT. That's why they are counterfeit, even if one beleeeves they are real.

Mike, as an authentic tongue speaker (I take your word for it), you should know better than most here that a twelve syllable phrase of glossolalia may require a two paragraph interpretation in English. It may not always, but sometimes it may. Surely, you know this! Surely, you also know that often no interpretation at all is even possible. Even in a believer's meeting. The tongue may be given, but the tongue and its interpretation may be too advanced for the speaker, but God still inspires that utterance. That's one way I can spot the counterfeit. All those stilted, contrived interpretations. Most of the interpretations I heard were Grade A bullshonta. Sincere, sure. But what is sincerity NOT a guarantee of? That's right. The truth.

Well, 'Ol Earl, endorsed, promoted and signed off on by victor paul wirewille, taught it wrong. Vary some? SOME? We're talking tongues of angels, cuh! We're talking GLOSS-O-LALIA, son! The variance can be galactic! Huge! How can you not know this? Why would it ever occur to you to have to make that point? Why?

I was talking about the original film class of PFAL. I never got into TWI. TWI and the money-making corporate machine invented and established by victor paul wierwille is another matter but with similar attributes.

Yikes! Then why the Intermediate Class? Why excellor? What is this phony business about matching syllables and duration when interpreting? Lots of teaching on H-O-W. Not everyone can or should speak in tongues It proves nothing but itself. It is evident of nothing but itself. Victor totally missed the mark on what and why Paul and the author of Luke wrote on the subject. Hey! Even vic has to crawl before he can walk.