Nathan_Jr

Thanks, Charity, for answering my question. Saved from the wrath. Got it! Were all those passages (without exception or distinction) written to me, or are they merely for my learning? Would you please cite chapter and verse? I'd like to look at the context and examine the Greek from which the phrase "obey the truth" is rendered. Such a curious phrase, obey the truth. I suspect it's an awkward translation or else a figger of speech.

No idea, but I suspect it was a tremendous demonstration of desperate clutching and clinging to beleef.

Not a Real doctor

What a bittersweet song, Human!

“If it doesn’t fit, ya just gotta MAKE it fit.” — victor paul wierwille, NaRd.

"Good fun, good food, good fellowship, and GREAT Word!" Is GREAT Word TWI's answer to Loy's HOT Bible?

Saved from what?

Well, it depends on which gospel you read. Mark - a young man Matthew - an angel Luke - two men John - two angels For me, these differences are interesting, not problematic, but for inerrantists…well, there’s work to do! Victor paul wierwille would have you cross out the words and verses with the strongest manuscript attestation, perform lexical magic tricks by inventing brand new Greek grammar and definitions, and, ultimately, rewrite it all according to “the original.” And along the way he would conjure figgers of speech where none exist just for the mmmph factor. See, kids? Fits like a palsied hand in a bloody glove. Just tremendous!!

Except when it is. One of my favorite pericopes on doubt and belief is John 20: 19-29. Whoever wrote GJohn was writing against the Thomasine community. The author composes this scene intending to make a sound argument for believing without evidence: "Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.” But, by my lights, the author of GJohn misses his mark and unintentionally proves the antithesis. Because Thomas doubted, because he investigated, he was the only disciple to touch the incorporeal resurrected body, the only disciple to whom Jesus vouchsafed this knowledge. Thomas saw. What he saw he surely could not unsee. The other disciples merely believed. A powerful, unintended lesson on how doubt and inquiry can lead to astonishing spiritual insight.

Gaslighting. Also, a convenient cop out for abusive charlatans like victor paul wierwille: "I can't help but to lie, cheat, steal and rape. It is my nature."

And Acts 13:34-37. He was raised from the dead, incorruptible, glorified, holy with a life more than abundant. Whatever the life, if Jesus was raised, is he dead? Which is the more valuable life? Which life is more desirable? The one subject to decay or the one that will never decay? What was sacrificed if Jesus is living gloriously and more than abundantly?

"..since Jesus is still alive and well, and leading and guiding us in perfect harmony w/ the Holy Spirit.." This is a conventional, even essential, Christian maxim, right? Even the pseudo-Christian charlatan, victor paul wierwille, "taught" Jesus is sitting, alive and well, at the right hand of the Father, right? Albeit, far, FAR away in a distant, inaccessible realm, hence his AND his Father's absence. If he is alive, he didn't die. Not REALLY. And if he didn't die, he wasn't sacrificed. What kind of payment is this if Jesus is still alive? It seems more like he just took a long weekend off. Genuine question: How does this work, theologically?

Thanks for doing this, WW. Looking forward to pages 3 and 4, or else an unbroken hyperlink to the file. Your post is especially timely, as Chris Geer's name has been showing up in my feed lately -- Invoked by survivors and current sycophants alike.

I’m not convinced the Bible describes an unconditionally loving deity. Certainly, poor little victor and his simp, Loy, didn’t “teach” this kind of deity Yeah, well, see? Here’s a condition: beleeve like me, think like me, get indoctrinated like me, or I’ll shun you. Just pick up a newspaper or open Twitter or watch your favorite talking heads on TV, you’ll see BELEEEF-based division everywhere. The guy who shot the former President yesterday in a display of sad wickedness was motivated in part by BELEEF, just as both his target and his target’s political opponent foment division and destruction by BELEEF. I maintain the source of all division is indoctrinated beleef. I don’t see division as a state of nature, rather, it is the fruit of conditioning. Pay attention to the little children. Do they criticize? Now, who is the more “spiritually mature”? Those who criticize my lack of belief in BELEEF are not my friends. And I lose no sleep. I have lifelong friends who are Protestant, Catholic, Jew, Buddhist, pagan, atheist… None of them try to proselytize me. Though we occasionally discuss esoteric cosmic mysteries, we never debate or argue or criticize. Ever. We find common ground. They love me, and I them, unconditionally.

Victor lacked the spiritual maturity innate in children. He may have felt threatened by their power. This may explain why he related so poorly to them. Bless his little heart

Mmmph. If only the wierwilles knew how (H-O-W) to get their needs and wants parallel, they wouldn't need to extort their beleevers into buying their toys. Hey! I didn't write the book.

Sweet rig. Why the sidecar? For what purpose was it kept? For whom? Lamsa, T6TMOG?

One possible reason was to bring about the eschaton. Bringing the nations into the fold, grafting them into the vine with Israel, is a necessary step in fulfilling the divine plan, right? Isn't there a passage about this in Isaiah? Maybe I'm misremembering. Paul was certain he knew Gad's timeline (he knew that he knew that he knew), and it was all coming to an end any minute. Except it didn't.

I don't know if there is a dedicated thread, but many, many, many threads have shown the origins of victor's "teachings." As you know, and as it has been shown, most of what he "taught" came directly, without credit or shame, from B. G. Leonard, E. W. Bullinger, J. E. Styles, E. W. Kenyon, and George "T6TMOG" Lamsa. Copied and pasted. The balance comes from traditional forms of Christianity, both mainstream and fringe, 19th to mid-20th century New Thought, fundamental seminarian scholarship, and whatever else his imagination could hold. I wouldn't expect a priest or pastor to cite all of her sources during a sermon. But if that minister is pressed by an earnest seeker, I suspect she might, if her answers are unsatisfying, point that seeker to read other authorities (Origen, Augustine, Luther, Bruce Metzger?) who may better articulate an answer. The real problem we have here is that victor himself claimed his only sources were his own inexhaustible, 18-hours-per-day-for-40-years study and God Almighty. Any apparent extraneous sources were merely coincidental. In PFAL he claims he had already come to the conclusions of Bullinger before ever reading Bullinger. Ummm... riiiiiiiight. When one endeavors to find out for oneself with meekness and honesty, one can only discover that the actual sources behind his fraudulent claims of "research" and "study" are often inaccurate themselves. Furthermore, his own private interpretations and "revelations" and hopeful imaginations are the most egregiously, demonstrably errant of all. When I say errant, I mean stupid. I'm not talking about vanilla plain stupidity. No, I'm talking about four-crucified stupidity - the stupidest. And not just five-senses stupidity. No, worse: spiritual stupidity.

Some may twist this phrasing into a validation of victor's "work." Carrier isn't necessarily agreeing with victor, rather, he is agreeing with a position that long predates victor. Victor and Carrier, among others, share this opinion.

“…only sharks swim at midnight” Reminds me of that charlatan.

What's a millennial specialist?

Published May/June 2024. BOD addition Effective August 2024. 2024 began five months ago. Simple math. I’m not very good at it, either.

The article simply says he’s its newest member in August. It doesn’t say he is replacing an outgoing member, though he likely will, if such is the structure of the trust or corporation.

Add Mel Privette to the list. https://www.theway.org/blog/board-of-directors-addition-2024/