Nathan_Jr

Indeed. It’s what we do, until we wake up.

Mike said about vpw, “…just another way he was telling us God was directly teaching him…” There’s your sign. Every time. The one claiming to speak for God, the one claiming to have the truth, is surely the one who does not. But you will know them by their fruit. OOOPS! I didn’t see you over there, Joseph Smith… all apologies! uh-oh… Jim Jones? Is that really you?… oh, no… Joseph Smith? How did you get in here? …I’m so embarrassed! I didn’t see you guys, either, David Koresh, Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland… L. Ron Hubbard!!! WTH! …with a mouthful of crow, I extend my most sincere apologies.

The NPD's victim refuses to act in defiance of the screaming voice within. Until, one day, finally, courageously... she sets the hammer down. It is sinister and subtle and defies logic or reason. The self is destroyed. The voice within is trained to be mistrusted. Reality is no longer real.

There is no emotion if one is truly paying attention to what actually is. One can't see clearly when one's attention is colored darkly by preference, prejudice, bias, reverence, hope. When I sat through PFAL, I sat attentively, meekly, emotionless, without bias for or against, a real humble, meek attention with a clear mind to listen to what was being said, to observe what was actually going on. When looking honestly, clearly, meekly at what is being said and written, and only endeavoring to examine, to go more deeply into it, without trying to MAKE it fit into anything at all, without prejudice, without NEEDING it to fit a presupposition, can one see what actually IS. I have no theological, religious or "churchian" agenda or position to advance. I am not motivated to disprove a charlatan's words because of doxy. THEY LITERALLY DO THAT ALL BY THEMSELVES..

Mmmph

Is that what was available that one needed to know how (H-O-W) to get and what to do with once gotten?

"Her lips were like freshly cut figs." Siddhartha, Herman Hesse

He could have said that in the filmed class I saw. I may be conflating that with the Loy lesbian "teaching," to Mike's point. But what is crystal clear to me is the, "I have no proof, it's just a feeling." It's clear in my memory because THAT is what is memorable to me, not some man made private interpretation - those are a dime a dozen and victor's interpretations were as private and as vividly imagined as anyone's. Like the bastard bar mitzvah "teaching," it's not the implausibility of the private interpretation that woke me up from the droning slog of PFAL, it was the citation of "someone told me once, gee, can't remember his name, but it was some guy, boy, if I can ever remember...." This is astonishingly poor scholarship! From a guy who insisted on being called by an academic title he purchased through the mail! It is an incredibly stupid, intellectually and spiritually, thing to say. It goes to his credibility, his integrity, his propensity towards accurate research.

In the CF&S class victor is recorded on film as saying he cannot prove it because there is no textual evidence, extant or to be found someday in the future when Walter goes back to Germany, he just had a feeling he was right. He didn't linger on this "teaching." If one isn't paying attention, because one is watching with pinwheeled eyeballs of devotion and reverence, one could miss it.

He knew he was being filmed when he said his feelings trumped the evidence. Because he knew he could be caught on film, he wasn't willing to blaspheme the Holy Spirit, as he did so often, by attributing such wicked stupidity to the Father.

No. Are you?

Check the record. I'm open to being proven wrong. mmmph

All of them. One should appear to be equitable. That way no one gets missed - victor said that, too.

You think wrongly. I'm not making it up. Watch it for yourself. "It's true, even if you don't beleeeve it." victor said that, too. it's in the record.

Sure, But lesbian sex? Bestiality is as far as I feel like reading it into the text.

victor paul wierwille, charlatan, said Eve's lesbian escapade with the snake was the original sin. He said he couldn't prove it, because it lacked textual evidence, he just had a feeling it was true. He didn't sound embarrassed to spew such agonizing stupidity, he sounded gleeful in his kerchief and loudly plaid suit. (An ironic homo-erotic image.) Victor was recorded on film saying this for the CF&S class. Anyone can view this record for themselves on archive.org.

Use the keys to clear the unclear.

OJ’s bloody murder glove didn’t fit in the courtroom..but it DID fit… even though it didn’t… (It really did, it was HIS glove.) Got to MAKE it fit, or make it NOT fit.

Tenacity is the salve for cognitive dissonance.

Beleeeving is so important when ignoring errors. I mean, above all, stand. Hey! I didn’t write the book. Got to MAKE it fit, even when it doesn’t.

Something about a lost teaching urging dupes to focus on the victor’s written materials.

“I think we were willing to brush off his mistakes because we really believed we should keep our focus on God’s Word, not Wierwille’s human errors. However, I know editors who tore out their hair trying to fix Wierwille’s transcribed sermons, making them presentable to print in The Way Magazine and in Way books.“

Surely

Thanks, Charlene! Excellent little interview. Had me laughing out loud at the familiar absurdity of it all. And congratulations on the honor from FAPA. From the interview: I think we were willing to brush off his mistakes because we really believed we should keep our focus on God’s Word, not Wierwille’s human errors. However, I know editors who tore out their hair trying to fix Wierwille’s transcribed sermons, making them presentable to print in The Way Magazine and in Way books. In general, we didn’t want to appear too sophisticated because Wierwille often scoffed at educated people, accusing them of being on ego trips. Dr. (Hello, Irony! I seeee yooouuu.)

Thanks. He most certainly does.