Nathan_Jr

The Juedes videos are excellent, succinct, and so… so… accurate. To your points: 1. Bullinger, Stiles and Leonard have their own problems, and what little is left after removing them is the worst of the worst. The invented bullshonta, baseless PI, and illogical fantasies are all that remain. 2. As Charlene has documented, the transcribers were pulling their hair out cleaning up the abject error and stupidity of the recorded “sermons.” In spite of these efforts the collaterals remain rife with error and illogic. 3. This “method” is so devoid of integrity, all that can be said is, Mmmmph.

“Where are you going to find God's written Word, outside the collaterals, where it is understandable?“ This problem merely appears to be difficult, but the math is simple: YourWalk+TheBible+ChristInYou+YourBelieving =

“Now people will listen to me.” Probably got that vp quote wrong. Someone knows. A little help?

Ecstatic dance and glossolalia predate David. How does the mute paraplegic SIT/DIT? What if they have fully absorbed everything, beleeeve in 1942, yet at the end of session 12 don’t “manifest”? I guess all they can do is what Christ Jesus said to do: pray in secret. Surely, this is what the Father seeketh.

I thought we were moving on with more proofs of a declining civilization by evidence of a declining earth! Still wanna see that French breakdancer, though.

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The choreography and music for “The Renewed Mind is the Key” are superior to AOS. A low bar, I know, but that song and dance just crushes AOS. It always makes me smile and laugh — joyful noises. Additionally, that “Renewed Mind” show seems to really be moving the YourWalk+TheBible+ChristInYou+YourBelieving over the world — 698,000,000 views on YouTube!

Actually, I don't know what they are. No one one knows, like no one knows the meaning of San Diego. There is no authoritative definition of earfoam. If you are in a small group, you can make up any definition you want. I'm not in that group, so the earfoam will just have to sit there like a duck, undefined.

Foam pads that cover headphones.

If they don't fit, you've got to MAKE them fit. This is fundamental. Maybe you weren't paying close attention the first time. You haven't fully absorbed this kernel.

Reminds me of Thomas Merton, a Trappist monk and prolific author who connected with Buddhists in Asia. Are you familiar with him? In his final letter he wrote, "In my contacts with these new friends, I also feel a consolation in my own faith in Christ and in his dwelling presence. I hope and believe he may be present in the hearts of all of us."

Right! I've heard victor do the same in his "sermons/teachings." It seems to come down to the "We know, you don't, because you've been mislead, but it's not your fault, we have the truth like it hasn't been known, and we will teach you, but hold your questions in abeyance..." tactic. It's an early move in the indoctrination to separate the seeker from reality. "Nothing is real. You've been deceived. Stay with us for your protection. Forsake your friends, family and discernment. No need to even think for yourself anymore. We will do it for you. You want those crowns, right? Ok. Good. Keep those questions in abeyance."

That's fine, too. I like to look at several versions, including the Geneva. (I haven't checked out the Matthews Bible, yet.) I'm not tied to any version. I find it all very interesting, but I'm not dogmatic about any of it, as you know. The older English versions require additional tools like the OED, if one is to understand that older English. It is helpful to understand what words meant to those living 400 years ago. The English language has changed. This is my only point. The Greek stays the same (99% of the time), but study in 1583 carries a different meaning than it does in 2023. Going back to the Greek is important, too. Obviously? I wish I was proficient in Greek.

What is this work?

I heard my fellowship commander throw a lot of snarky, condescending jabs at the KJV translators. I’ve heard the same from off-shooters. Of course, the jabs were delivered with exasperated, patronizing sighs. The OED can help anyone discover why the translators made those decisions. English was different at that time. One must understand what words meant during the Elizabethan period to understand the KJV. We shouldn’t anachronistically project modern usage onto 16th century England - not if we are interested in scientific precision and mathematical exactness. Throughly and study are two great examples of what I’m talking about. Charlene, did anyone ever explain to Victor his mishandling of Elizabethan English? If so, what was his response? (I love reading the KJV. It’s beautiful. However, I prefer a modern, literal version like the NASB for understanding, study.)

Or the actor could just stand in silence on stage and do nothing and wait for his cue. (Like a duck.) Is the actor FORCED to flub lines?

Either the YourWalk+TheBible+ChristInYou+YourBelieving says what it means and means what it says, or it does not.

He didn't mean complete the way you or I or billions of others would use it. Not today. Not in 1967. Not in 90 CE. Somewhere in the collaterals there must be victor's own private definition of complete.

I have never forbidden anyone from using their imagination and arbitrary whimsy. Language changes. It's the only constant of language. Not sure if evolve is the scientifically precise or mathematically exact word. But, hey, word choice is a personal matter, I suppose, like word meanings.... or genus species identity... or race identity. Hey! Use your imagination. Go buck wild with it! No one can forbid you that.

Yep. It's not research at all. That is clear. Inventing definitions is required. That is also clear. Got to MAKE it fit. No one missed it.

The OED is so helpful, maybe essential, if one is using the KJV as a study Bible, it seems to me. Elizabethan English is different, as you know. The OED shows this. It provides definitions and usages for that period. Divine revelation is not required to sort out throughly and thoroughly.

An alleged atrophy of free will is NOT why people are so easily blown about by every wind of doctrine. It is the inquisitive mind, not the will, that is atrophied. It's a lack of discernment, a lack of curiosity. It seems nobody wants to find out anything for themselves. Every one is so eager to be spoon fed. No one has the patience or stillness of mind to simply look to see what is really going on.

Thank you, Charlene. The Walter Cummins quote supports a recently asserted apologia. Research is for verification, not discovery. It's a verification ministry, not a research ministry. The research should support victor's imagination. (The apologist said this with a straight face.) And the "endorsement" directly following Walter's! Throughly vs thoroughly. Wow. Did you have an OED at the research department?

Well, answers are available. What does the YourBelieving+YourWalk+TheBible+ChristInYou say about it? Reading into it whatever you want is fine as long as you call it with your mouth exegesis. Don’t call it eisegesis. Don’t do it. Doooooon’t do it! We were “taught” inventing definitions of words and corrupting what YourBelieving+YourWalk+TheBible+ChristInYou says is necessary to MAKE it fit like a glove. Remember, Paul left his cloak behind, but he didn’t forget his gloves. Gloves are most important - the glove is the key. We were “taught” the conclusion must come first. The proof, the common sense, the logic, both intellectual and spiritual, are never that important. The proofs appear important, but they are merely apparent. The glove is the conclusion. If the hand doesn’t fit the glove, don’t blame the glove! Don’t do it. Dooooon’t do it! Surgery, not tailoring, may be required. Cut off a finger, add some filler, whatever. We were “taught” it MUST fit, so MAKE it fit! victor paul wierwille “taught” defecating in the mouth of God is problematic only if you believe it will be. We were “taught” to imitate victor, to stand on his shoulders. Most “grads” missed these “teachings” the first time. These “teachings” were never fully absorbed.

"I'm reading along in [YourWalk+YourBelieving+TheBible+ChristInYou] and another "budget"..."