Nathan_Jr

They must believe their way into knowing that they know that they know this. How do they know it’s the best thing? They simply decide it is and believe it. This is why I say there is no place for belief where Truth is concerned. Look. Watch. Pray. Find out.

I would suggest the the same. Any concept of God is born of and put together by human thought. Exactly.

Forgiveness is for the forgiver. Forgiveness is never for the forgiven. For the awakened, reality and truth are presented on the end of a club whacked upside the head. The ringing bell is violent disillusionment. Clarity is a brutal, unexpected visitor. Though finally free and clear of the cult leader or the NPD, the awakened, for a time, may imprison themselves in a cage of resentment. Real healing for the awakened survivor begins with letting go of the resentment, the anger. However, the survivors of VPW and LCM and the NPD are fully justified in their anger and resentment. When I say fully justified, I mean completely, completely complete in justification. The awakened survivor need not forget. Never, ever forget! Moving on with healing doesn’t mean ignoring the fraud, the spiritual crimes and the spiritual and physical rape. Examining and analyzing quacks like LCM and VPW is important for many reasons, including healing, but the examining and analyzing need not imply a lack of forgiveness or inability to move on. This is important, noble work for the current and next generations. Forgiveness is letting go of the righteously justified anger. It is for the forgiver only. The forgiven will certainly get his on that day.

Accuracy. Hitting the mark dead center. The key. Mmmmph Mmmmm-mmmph!

Like pros. The word of God the will of God. But not REALLY. It all depends on what the meaning of the word is is. (Bill Clinton has entered the chat.) The whole Bible could fall apart if you get is wrong. It's a kernel. Just tremendous. Bless your hearts.

So the Translations Department is an internal code for International Business Unit? I once worked for a global corporation with a presence in all but four countries. The structure was complex and sprawling. The range of delimited territories flowed from continent to state. There was the Europe Business Unit, the Asia Business Unit, the North America Business Unit, etc. Is this what Translations Department really means?

So many come to mind, but I’ll start with these three false accusations against victor paul wierwille: VPW was the 7th THE man of god VPW was THE man of god for this our day and time VPW was A man of god To saddle victor paul wierwille with such false accusations is akin to falsely accusing God.

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So, the Translations Department works to translate TWI propaganda, PFAL and collaterals? From a business perspective this makes since. Where else will the growth come, except from countries where following corrupt leaders and ideology is endemic? What about correcting the hundreds of Greek and Hebrew translation errors set forth by victor paul wierwille, American quack? Who is charged with that essential task?

Lots of people, indeed. I wish victor had never responded to the adversary's intervention.

https://www.theway.org/blog/board-of-directors-addition/ The Way International Corporation has a new board member. He serves on the President's Cabinet. (I think OldSkool did this, as well..) He also "coordinates the Translations Department." What, besides playing Pictionary, are people doing at the Translations Department? Does imaginative, creative play really require coordination?

"Realm"

Fear is the sand on the beach blanket of life.

Not to gamble, not to play the odds, but to pick winners. Cunning. My fellowship commander claimed for himself a stint of professional gambling. Just connecting dots here. I always thought that was a strange admission from our father in tha werd, the most spiritually mature in a 300 mile radius. But it wasn’t luck, it was magical powers! But when I consider how throughly he imitated victor, the dots l just fall in line. My fellowship commander was a master of PFAL collaterals, a pinwheel-eyed dupe so sold out, the Bible was insufficient to read from at Passover/Easter — only JCOP/PS was holy enough. So, he got the picking winners from victor, then made it his own. I’m sure of it. It all makes sense now, at least that part.

Thank you, Charlene! That was a quick 1:13:00. Audio quality is excellent. I look forward to episode two. This kind of testimony is so needed. Em Thomas is very articulate and forthcoming. Damn, this is good, but, damn, it is heartbreaking and disturbing. I have so many impressions and reactions to this. Maybe later. I'm too angry right now to write a coherent sentence. Thank you. Mmmph. Seriously, mmmph.

It appears you are quoting me, but that is actually a snippet of Waysider's response to my question about devil spurt discerning excellor sessions.

Like this?

Someone asked: What is "life" mean? Well, it depends on what your definition of "is" is. Also, is the question grammatically correct? "It seems pretty subjective." The short answer is no one knows. It's kinda like the meaning of San Diego -- when in Rome! https://news.berkeley.edu/2011/07/26/are-cancers-newly-evolved-species#:~:text=Cancerous tumors are parasitic organisms,the detriment of its host. Are cancers newly evolved species? By Robert Sanders July 26, 2011 Cancer patients may view their tumors as parasites taking over their bodies, but this is more than a metaphor for Peter Duesberg, a molecular and cell biology professor at the University of California, Berkeley. Cancerous tumors are parasitic organisms, he said. Each one is a new species that, like most parasites, depends on its host for food, but otherwise operates independently and often to the detriment of its host. A karyograph is one way to display the number of copies of each chromosome in a clone of cells from an individual or a cancer. Here, the karyograph shows the chromosomes of 20 individual cells (represented by black lines) of a normal human male. Each cell has precisely two copies of 22 chromosomes and one copy of each sex chromosome, demonstrating that human cells have a fixed and stable karyotype. In a paper published in the July 1 issue of the journal Cell Cycle , Duesberg and UC Berkeley colleagues describe their theory that carcinogenesis – the generation of cancer – is just another form of speciation, the evolution of new species. “Cancer is comparable to a bacterial level of complexity, but still autonomous, that is, it doesn’t depend on other cells for survival; it doesn’t follow orders like other cells in the body, and it can grow where, when and how it likes,” said Duesberg. “That’s what species are all about.” This novel view of cancer could yield new insights into the growth and metastasis of cancer, Duesberg said, and perhaps new approaches to therapy or new drug targets. In addition, because the disrupted chromosomes of newly evolved cancers are visible in a microscope, it may be possible to detect cancers earlier, much as today’s Pap smear relies on changes in the shapes of cervical cells as an indication of chromosomal problems that could lead to cervical cancer. Carcinogenesis and evolution The idea that cancer formation is akin to the evolution of a new species is not new, with various biologists hinting at it in the late 20 th century. Evolutionary biologist Julian S. Huxley wrote in 1956 that “Once the neoplastic process has crossed the threshold of autonomy, the resultant tumor can be logically regarded as a new biologic species ….” Last year, Dr. Mark Vincent of the London Regional Cancer Program and University of Western Ontario argued in the journal Evolution that carcinogenesis and the clonal evolution of cancer cells are speciation events in the strict Darwinian sense. The evolution of cancer “seems to be different from the evolution of a grasshopper, for instance, in part because the cancer genome is not a stable genome like that of other species. The challenging question is, what has it become?” Vincent said in an interview. “Duesberg’s argument from karyotype is different from my argument from the definition of a species, but it is consistent.” Vincent noted that there are three known transmissible cancers, including devil facial tumor disease, a “parasitic cancer” that attacks and kills Tasmanian devils. It is transmitted from one animal to another by a whole cancer cell. A similar parasitic cancer, canine transmissible venereal tumor, is transmitted between dogs via a single cancer cell that has a genome dating from the time when dogs were first domesticated. A third transmissible cancer was found in hamsters. “Cancer has become a successful parasite,” Vincent said. Mutation theory vs. aneuploidy Duesbeg’s arguments derive from his controversial proposal that the reigning theory of cancer – that tumors begin when a handful of mutated genes send a cell into uncontrolled growth – is wrong. He argues, instead, that carcinogenesis is initiated by a disruption of the chromosomes, which leads to duplicates, deletions, breaks and other chromosomal damage that alter the balance of tens of thousands of genes. The result is a cell with totally new traits – that is, a new phenotype. “I think Duesberg is correct by criticizing mutation theory, which sustains a billion-dollar drug industry focused on blocking these mutations,” said Vincent, a medical oncologist. “Yet very, very few cancers have been cured by targeted drug therapy, and even if a drug helps a patient survive six or nine more months, cancer cells often find a way around it.” Chromosomal disruption, called aneuploidy, is known to cause disease. Down syndrome, for example, is caused by a third copy of chromosome 21, one of the 23 pairs of human chromosomes. All cancer cells are aneuploid, Duesberg said, though proponents of the mutation theory of cancer argue that this is a consequence of cancer, not the cause. Key to Duesberg’s theory is that some initial chromosomal mutation – perhaps impairing the machinery that duplicates or segregates chromosomes in preparation for cell division – screws up a cell’s chromosomes, breaking some or making extra copies of others. Normally this would be a death sentence for a cell, but in rare cases, he said, such disrupted chromosomes might be able to divide further, perpetuating and compounding the damage. Over decades, continued cell division would produce many unviable cells as well as a few still able to divide autonomously and seed cancer. Duesberg asserts that cancers are new species because those viable enough to continue dividing develop relatively stable chromosome patterns, called karyotypes, distinct from the chromosome pattern of their human host. While all known organisms today have stable karyotypes, with all cells containing precisely two or four copies of each chromosome, cancers exhibit a more flexible and unpredictable karyotype, including not only intact chromosomes from the host, but also partial, truncated and mere stumps of chromosomes. “If humans changed their karyotype – the number and arrangement of chromosomes – we would either die or be unable to mate, or in very rare cases become another species,” Duesberg said. But cancer cells just divide and make more of themselves. They don’t have to worry about reproduction, which is sensitive to chromosomal balance. In fact, as long as the genes for mitosis are still intact, a cancer cell can survive with many disrupted and unbalanced chromosomes, such as those found in an aneuploid cell, he said. The karyotype does change as a cancer cell divides, because the chromosomes are disrupted and thus don’t copy perfectly. But the karyotype is “only flexible within a certain margin,” Duesberg said. “Within these margins it remains stable, despite its flexibility.” Karyographs display karyotype variability Duesberg and his colleagues developed karyographs as a way to display the aneuploid nature of a cell’s karyotype and its stability across numerous cell cultures. Using these karyographs, he and his colleagues analyzed several cancers, clearly demonstrating that the karyotype is amazingly similar in all cells of a specific cancer line, yet totally different from the karyotypes of other cancers and even the same type of cancer from a different patient. In contrast to normal cells, cervical cancer cells (HeLa) have flexible chromosomes. The 23 normal chromosomes have between 0 and 4 copies, while the several dozen hybrid or “marker” chromosomes have between 0 and 2. The copy numbers differ in the 20 individual HeLa cells shown, but they are nearly clonal, varying around an average clonal number. HeLa cells are a perfect example. Perhaps the most famous cancer cell line in history, HeLa cells were obtained in 1951 from a cervical cancer that eventually killed a young black woman named Henrietta Lacks. The 60-year-old cell line derived from her cancer has a relatively stable karyotype that keeps it alive through division after division. “Once a cell has crossed that barrier of autonomy, it’s a new species,” Duesberg said. “HeLa cells have evolved in the laboratory and are now even more stable than they probably were when they first arose.” The individualized karyotypes of cancers resemble the distinct karyotypes of different species,, Duesberg said. While biologists have not characterized the karyotypes of most species, no two species are known that have the same number and arrangement of chromosomes, including those of, for example, gorillas and humans, who share 99 percent of their genes. Duesberg argues that his speciation theory explains cancer’s autonomy, immortality and flexible, but relatively stable, karyotype. It also explains the long latency period between initial aneuploidization and full blown cancer, because there is such a low probability of evolving an autonomous karyotype. “You start with a chromosomal mutation, that is, aneuploidy perhaps from X-rays or cigarettes or radiation, that destabilizes and eventually changes your karyotype or renders it non-viable,” he said. “The rare viable aneuploidies of cancers are, in effect, the karyotypes of new species.” Duesberg hopes that the carcinogenesis-equals-speciation theory will spur new approaches to diagnosing and treating cancer. Vincent, for example, suspects that cancers are operating right at the edge of survivability, maintaining genomic flexibility while retaining the ability to divide forever. Driving them to evolve even faster, he said, “might push them over the edge.” Duesberg’s colleagues are postdoctoral fellow Daniele Mandrioli and research associate Amanda McCormack of UC Berkeley and graduate student Joshua M. Nicholson in the Department of Biological Sciences at Virginia Polytechnic Institute. Duesberg’s research is funded by the Abraham J. and Phyllis Katz Foundation, philanthropists Dr. Christian Fiala, Rajeev and Christine Joshi, Robert Leppo and Peter Rozsa of the Taubert Memorial Foundation, other private sources and the Forschungsfonds der Fakultät für Klinische Medizin Mannheim der Universität Heidelberg.

I beleeve one day we will find manuscripts to support victor's imaginative PI. When those manuscripts are uncovered, or when they are invented, with them we will find the supporting sentences. It just won't happen in my lifetime.

The teaching of cancer as devil spirit causes great cognitive dissonance for anyone standing on the shoulders of victor paul wierwille, American quack, because irony.

Were "excellor" sessions on discerning of spirits ever offered or sold?

"phony discerning of devil spirits"

If I were attempting to explain NPD to someone preoccupied with devil spirits, to someone whose teeth are stained red with Kool-Aid, I might not use the terms narcissism and NPD. Those terms would be ineffectual and distracting for someone who has fully absorbed. Rather, I might describe NPD as possession and oppression by python spirit, deceiver spirit and charmer spirit -- bullshonta lingo any duped grad could understand. Any advanced class grad would get it, but not really, because the "teaching" on devil spirits is throughly shallow and superficial and contrived.

"...on the field." "...Jesus and his writers..." "...grads..."

Yep. This is an obvious, actual fact. Beleeef has nothing to do with it. Once seen, it cannot be unseen.