Nathan_Jr

If one is forgiven by another, yet still won’t forgive oneself, how powerful is the forgiveness from another? I’m not suggesting there is no power in another’s (Jesus’) forgiveness of our sins, but I am observing the brutality of self condemnation that may linger in spite of being forgiven by another.

Victor and his sycophants play word games. It's foundational. Only a certain, precise, approved vocabulary will suffice. And only approved, often magically contrived, definitions are deemed accurate. Three words were consistently derided while they were "teaching" me: Religion, Christian and Jesus. Theses words were rarely uttered at all, unless one had the urge to scratch an itch to scoff and disparage and condescend. They insisted Wierwillian doctrine, TWI, and being within their "household" were NOT religious, rather, they were accuracy. Here's Merriam-Webster's definition -- Religion 1: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices 2: the service and worship of God or the supernatural 3: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

It seems to me, before asking whether wants organized or disorganized religion, one must ask: What is religion?

Well, yes. Cancer. Victor taught cancer is devil spirit. He taught protection from devil spirit possession/infection is standing behind the hedge and shutting the trap door to your mind. I’ll tell you what killed that old man…

I heard someone say, “Forgiveness is the forgiver absorbing the price…” (Usually, the phrase is absorbing the COST. Cost and price are not the same.) Any thoughts on this? The forgiver absorbs the cost/price.

Victor also said (probably in a class somewhere) that everyone dies because they stop believing, and that unbelieving arises from fatigue, and fatigue leads to sleep, soul sleep, death. So what was it that killed that old charlatan? The naming of a building or his own belief in unbelief?

Tha motor coach? Accuracy like it hasn’t been articulated since… the last time I wrote of victor paul wierwille squatting over and defecating into the mouth of God.

Will you please post a pic?

Right. No. Not I. Take this to another thread, if you want.

Chock, I think you’ve proposed TWI is very similar to JW. I see it now. Oh, do I see it! I’ve been reading threads here https://reddit.com/r/exjw/s/DyxZAxIuy3. From the org structure to the ever-morphing, doctrinal bulls hit to the manipulative control, it’s uncanny! Terminology is slightly different, but the meanings and implications are exactly the same. Just so sad, gross and stupid. The crisis of cult - religious, ideological, political, national - is the single greatest existential threat to mankind. IMO

Lots of memorable dialogue in this movie, but this is easy movie quotes, not easy movie dialogue. The quote I cited should be the easiest, most memorable of the film. Not so easy, it seems. "I like the way you die, boy." Django Unchained @Human without the bean you can take it. You got Jamie Fox right.

Jamie Fox did, in fact, say it. He was not in FMJ, so, no, that's not it.

This need to belong seems especially strong in the youth, the codependent and the immature. Cultural hegemony makes sure we find our group to belong and mark divisions accordingly. It’s something to pay attention to. Why this need to belong? Maybe it’s not a problem, but how can we know unless we inquire? How can we see what we are doing unless we look? The older I get, the more comfortable and secure I am with myself, the less I feel a need to belong to any group in order to feel comfortable and secure.

I don’t disagree.

“Above all, stand.” ”Commitment” ”Just beleeeve it.” ”Rely NOT on your own understanding.”

Well, I said there were two groups: the willfully ignorant AND the DUPED intent on believing inaccuracy into accuracy. My mistake was to say ONLY, so, yeah, that should be challenged. Fair enough. The blissfully ignorant are easily duped.

Fair, but I'm not sure this is an argument against my claim. Indeed, most humans can't see the influence of cultural hegemony on their lives. Cultural hegemony requires duped beleeevers and the willfully ignorant for the influence to be effective. Ideologues and their ideologies are problematic, whether religious or political or social. And verbiage is the Soma captivating the masses and lulling them into submission. We are as easily impressed by the quacks on the pulpits as by the "life coaches" on Instagram. I think we have to suffer through this before seeing it clearly, unfortunately. But once seen, it can't be unseen, then we might see it everywhere.

Right. Not in exactly the same way. But Hellenized Jews and pagans would have recognized the implications and connections. Jesus did it better, so the story goes, effectively superseding Dionysus. https://mythologymatters.wordpress.com/2020/02/24/the-mythology-of-wine-vii-the-wine-miracles-of-dionysus-and-jesus-compared/

PFAL and the collaterals are replete with logical fallacies. One of the very early fallacies in the corpus is a non sequitur: John 10:10, therefore keys. Logical fallacies, errors and stupidity are embarrassingly apparent everywhere. They literally leap off every page. Only the willfully ignorant and the duped intent on beleeeving them into accuracy can't see them.

Dionysus did it first.

Thanks

"I like the way you die, boy."

Pulp Fiction - Jules played by Sam Jackson (Is attributing the line to a character or actor a rule?)

I haven’t looked at this thread all week, but I definitely consider that an easy movie quote. One of my favorite movies, too. “Oh, Stewadess! I speak jive.”

Not too obscure, A River Runs Through It.