Nathan_Jr

Yes, T-Bone. Yes. Oh, the irony of victor's bull$hit. From the very beginning of PFAL and through virtually every SNT and recorded holding forth, victor maligns the brethren, the Body of Christ. The level varies from subtle, devilish winks of a prosthetic eye, to overt, melodramatic rambling. HOWEVER, it's always, always there - the division pouring forth from and created by victor's unenlightened heart. WTAF does this bull$hit word salad sentence mean? Which is it? What are we talking about here? Division inside the church or outside? Is the division between Republicans and Democrats the opposition? The outside, arbitrary divisions between Mickey and Donald are what we must move forward with strength against? The racial divide is our opposition? Word salad. victor wrote hundreds, if not thousands, of word salad sentences like this. The unenlightened are easily impressed. Oh, so sinister. Here we go again. Always with the teaching and slavery and defecating in the mouth of God and in the mouths of those seeking Him.. This is NOT what being filled with love means. And it's not a result of being filled with love. BUT, for the cult leader, teachability is critical.

Ha! If you're ok with the passive voice, I am, too. Yeah, it was ok as it was - just putting a finer point on a fine point.

*is This is the bruise on the fruit telling you that it's rotten to the core. Do not underestimate this bruise. The one who claims to HAVE the Truth surely is the one who does not. When defending victor's hubris, Mike said: if one can jump over a barn, is it bragging to say so? No. But who can jump over a barn? No one can. So, what does it say about the one making the claim? Everything you should need to know.

Because, T-Bone, you don't know how (H--O-W). You don't know HOW to defecate in the mouth of God. That's why you need the class! How (H-O-W) can you learn to take a dump in the mouth of God unless you've been taught? If only you could read it in the original...

What does this mean? We don't have the original autographs. I'm sure this is strategic phrasing. Any thoughts on this hedge? victor loved to say, "I wish you could read it in the original." HOWEVER he didn't even have an elementary grasp of Greek - the original written language of the New Testament.

How else could it be but a downward spiral fading into obscurity and death? Rebuild what? Rebuild on what? The 1942 promise? The foundation of the entire enterprise from the very beginning is based on lies. All of it. Let them repent. Let them address their sins. Let them get honest. Then what? BUT let them WAKE UP to Truth. Let them truly get born again. Let them find out what that means. Only then will they be free to see that there is nothing to rebuild. All that will be left to do is fold. Until then, blindness, folly, death. *Thank you for every word you've ever written here, Skyrider.

No worries! It doesn't even matter. Just morbid curiosity. Great suffering and calamity has befallen those leaders who condemned the accidental death of your branch leaders. I was hoping to read the public records and news media chronicles of their demise.

Thanks, Chockfull. A mind filled with God's Word? Does that mean a mind filled with the Bible? Or does it mean filled with God's will? So much bull$hit it almost makes sense. A renewed mind is not one conformed to any doctrine, any book, any teacher - this is an enslaved mind. A renewed mind is one that is free and clear. Like a child's mind. Free to be in awe of the wonder of that which cannot be named.

Ok. Fine. Let it be a figure of speech. Still, what does it mean?

What a horror story! Abject wickedness. The leaders who condemned the your branch leader? Do you remember their names? Where they live?

I realize this is a false, serpentine doctrine, but what does it mean?

That sounds about right. Not matter the size and shape of he hand, they can MAKE it fit the glove. if the word of God is the will of God, I'm going with the will. The will of God takes the place of the absent Christ. This is what victor meant in the original.... I think. So much bull$hit, it's hard to know for sure.

Perfect. Thanks. I agree. Vic's doctrines were goofy non-sequiturs, including this one. So, according to victor, the word of God replaces the carnal, fleshly Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ, who is obviously absent in the five senses realm. What do you think he meant by "the word of God?"

Cman is asking why is there a return if he's NOT absent. Regardless of his function, he is NOT absent, right? Or is he absent because of his function? Maybe these questions were answered and I missed it. Could you explain? Pretend I'm a golden retriever.

Right. I got that from the beginning. The food just brought me to the thought that labels are a product of our conditioning. Labels are insufficient and usually problematic, divisive and destructive for the labeler and the labeled. Whether we realize it or not, labels are constructed out of laziness, immaturity and a lack of clear thinking, intellectually and spiritually. Can we see this about ourselves? One can not see what actually, truly is as long as one is artificially labeling. And one can never come upon that which is eternal, that which has no name, if one is always seeking to label according to one's conditioning, programming, indoctrination. This was true in Bronze Age Palestine and it's true today.

Bart Ehrman used to identify as "agnostic atheist." Agnostic is a term I can get behind, but not as a label. I've said here before that I know next to nothing and embracing this not knowing leads to a healthier life experience. Either I know or I don't, and I am open to following to following the evidence, wherever it might lead. Atheist, theist, agnostic... Whatever the label, it tells one little to nothing. I'm not sure these labels are helpful at all when one is trying to find out about another.

The term is loaded and elusive and arbitrary, as the BT video points out. I don't identify as atheist, nor do I identify as theist. I generally like what Sam Harris has to say about atheism.

If something is absent, it's not here, it's not present. God in Christ in you? How can Christ be in you if Christ is absent? Are you absent? Where is the power if it is absent? And what is the word that takes the place of this absent Christ? The Bible? The KJV Bible? The Llamsa Bible? What a disappointing substitute! This is one of many, many examples of victor defecating in his own hand and then throwing that feces in the face of God.

Truth. Amen.

Introducing.... John 10:10a -- victor paul wierwille, Doctor, T7TMOG John 10:10b -- Christ

I don't recall this, but I can believe he taught it. The Devil is not mentioned in Genesis 1:1-2. Not even implied. But if he is already making it up as he goes along, he will make it fit like a hand.... Great post, T-Bone. Hilarious and enlightening! (Yeah, the flat earth lie is based on these ancient Hebrew cosmological, mythical models.)

Ahhh. Right. He may have been on his way to tie it all together with gloved hands at the end. I couldn't listen to the whole thing, as I can't most recordings of his. He definitely starts with the flat earth dome for the kingdom of God. When I find it, I'll post it.

Ooohhh!!! Please elaborate!! I can barely type I'm laughing so hard! There is a recording out there. It's a SNT or Advanced or Corps teaching. It's on YouTube. I'll try to find it. A question is asked and he goes off on the dome but sounds shaky about it, yet he holds forth as T7TMG anyway.

Victor "taught" that the kingdom of God is within, under and limited by a dome. This is in line the flat earth model - a disc-shaped earth encapsulated by a dome. Any thoughts on putting God's kingdom in a box...er... a dome as "taught" by victor?

Thanks. This is always true, right? Divorce, war, etc. So, were your parents in a fight with Waydale? You were shot in the crossfire from a fight between Waydale and your parents? I thought Waydale was an open and free forum in an open and free society. Who is fighting where you are caught in the crossfire? And if Waydale is a forum, how is it a party in a fight? Or did the fight take place on Waydale? Real questions. I'm not arguing with you. I'm not doubting you. I start with acknowledging that I know next to nothing. I'm just trying to understand what you mean, because what you've said so far is not clear.