Nathan_Jr

Thanks, Raf. For everything. it's not confusing at all. It's not three like the trinity, but four like the crucified. I get it. It fits. Like a hand in a glove.

Love Marcus Aurelius. Thanks for this. Role models are so important.

You recommend good books. This one has been added to my list.

Thank you for this, Rocky. This issue is seldom understood and often is frequently stigmatized. C-PTSD is very real. So much is still being learned about the insidious effects of sustained abuse and neglect. Narcissistic abuse can cause C-PTSD, not only in children, but in adults. The effects can manifest physically in the form of auto-immune disorders and brain damage, in addition to severe anxiety and depression. The destruction to the psyche, spirit and body is in incomprehensible to most.

Yes, indeed. We are on the same page. Teaching by LIVING righteousness and love and freedom. Yes, great point. Some people only behave well when people are watching. They want to project an image of righteousness. Image over substance. I was pointing to victor's response to Loy in the AC Q&A about behavior behind closed doors - behavior unseen by those one is trying to lead. Do the right thing, even when no one is watching. There's a more eloquent phrasing of this, but I can't remember the attribution.

Even if no one is watching.

Right. I did forget. I should have renewed my mind. At least two.... criminals....

And he never got tired. At least not so tired that he stopped believing and died.

Ooooh... ok. A++

The title of this thread is not only true, but it is pants-....ing hilarious to me. It could be the title of a skit from Mr. Show, The State, Kids in the Hall, K&P.... or the title of an article in The Onion. I mean who in the actual f#ck actually plagiarizes poetry?! At least one human actually did! Wow. Just, wow. Sad and funny.

I'll give you an A for this. But I beleeeve El will give you an A+. Mmmmph.

The mysterious and incomprehensible as uncontrollable. Mmmmph! Victor needed to MAKE it simpler to fit his shallow awareness and perception so he could then TEACH it. Hands in gloves. Mmmmph.

VPW said that? "Accept it by faith?" The faith OF Jesus Christ? Surely not by the faith IN Jesus Christ? Because faith is something we have; beleeeving is what we do. Or, did he mean believing faith? Or, by operating the manifestation of faith? Whatever victor said, it's definitely NOT God-breathed scripture, because it's not interpreting itself.

I don't have a theological dog in this fight. But it's worth it to me to tell you that much of what you wrote describes a man I know who died from unbelief brought on by fatigue. This man was fond of sterling silver bracelets engraved with phony credentials. He and Bill Cosby had much in common. Anyway.... small world.....

Not sure if every religion instructs their children in the same way destructive cults like TWI do, but every cult certainly does rub in by repetition in some form. Is that what I made it sound like or is that what you wanted to hear? I want to be clear, so, please know: I am an equal opportunity critic when it comes to ideology like religious dogmatism. I don't discriminate. But abusive cults like TWI have earned my extra special criticism and disdain. *Stayed -- I just realized your post was a response to Bolshevik, not to me. But I'm still ok with this post - what it means, says, in the context, etc. Which is to say, I hope my post will interpret itself like scripture.*

Is there a trinity of moderators? Do they work together as one? Or are they pros - distinctly separate, yet not the same?

I did earlier today.

Thanks. For some reason I beleeeved you were one of the mods - another problem with beleef. I sent them an email about it hours ago.

Agreed. Can you move it there, T-Bone?

Thanks Bolshevik. Well said. The usage is determined by the context of the propaganda. Reminding one's child of appropriate behavior like cleaning their room or using good manners is not what I'm pointing to, nor is it what the text of the slide is talking about. I have to remind my son all the time, repetitively, not to beleeeve everything he sees or hears. I'm not forcing Soma down his throat by reminding him of this. To dull a sharp object one must rub it with pressure repetitively. The propaganda here is about the dulling of one's sensitivity, perception, awareness, critical thinking, ability to learn, ability to love. It's about memory by rote. It's about programming children to be zombies of the cult.

It could have been, but I just don't remember now. The notes and photos are in a phone I no longer possess. There is a channel on YouTube that has hundreds of recordings of Vic's sermons. Some record this exact thing we're talking about - reciting poetry without attribution or credit. (Anyone can find out for themselves, if they don't BELEEEVE this discussion.) What I do remember is being so disturbed by what was going on in that moment. When the tape of vic's holding forth ended, I announced the name of the author to the fellowship, hoping someone else might have been as curious as I. But, no. I felt nothing but the stinging darts of silent contempt and disdain, presumably for outing vpw, but more likely for not having a dull mind, the type of mind that results from allowing "rubbing in by repetition." The fellowship I attended was comprised entirely of my ex wife's family. Their leader (their "father in the word") and his wife went Corps in the late '70s or early 80s. They were family corps around 85-86, I think. They cling to victor and his writings even more fervently than Mike - they would NEVER read or study any other version of the Bible than the KJV. And they would say, "What does it matter? You heard the Word and Will of God today. Be thankful." They worked diligently to renew my mind for me by rubbing into it repeatedly that there is only one true cosmological/spiritual hierarchical order: God Jesus Christ Paul Victor

It's important to remember that off believing is an early sign of stopped believing. Stopped believing, or dying, is caused by fatigue, obviously. Rubbing children can keep them awake, or at least massaged, while mail order MOGs are holding forth.

My son's mother used to carry a wooden spoon in her purse, no doubt encouraged by her family who were strict vpw adherents (they left in '86). Obviously, child abuse is not limited to physical abuse. As you know, the narc doesn't need to lift a finger to reek devastating abuse and trauma on his target. "Rubbing in by repetition" is how children are raised, taught and indoctrinated in North Korea.

It has occurred to me this is child abuse. As a parent, I can't unsee the horror of this.

THIS!! And this: "Jesus said, 'Do not lie.'" --Thomas, Logion 6