Nathan_Jr

Thanks for the warning

That's a good little article. From Lagos of all places - not far from the wierwille-worshipping sodomites in Cameroon. If the Word was in the beginning, then obviously the Word can't be the Bible. So, what was in the beginning? What does the Bible say? Genesis 1:3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. To me the Word is ineffable. I don't know for certain what the Word is, but I'm pretty sure what it is NOT: The Word is NOT the words.

“You have received the Holy Spirit, and he lives within you, in your hearts, so that you don’t need anyone to teach you what is right. For he teaches you all things, and he is the Truth, and no liar.” (I John 2:27). * uh-oh

How astute. The manipulative power of suggestion. The dark persuasion. The classic playbook of the cult leader. When one’s mind has been dulled and blunted from inexhaustible dogmatic platitudes rubbed in repetitively through “holding forth,” one can easily be lead to draw the cult leader’s desired conclusions. “No one forced you believe or revere vpw or the accuracy that he teaches. God gave everyone free will. You have the power to choose. It’s up to you. It’s your choice of your own free will. No one is holding a gun to your head. But I wouldn’t grumble if I were you. Don’t do it…. Doooon’t do it.” — Actual answer given to me when I asked a very simple question of “the class”coordinator, the fellowship father in the word, the ex-corps sychophant.

I think many have said this. As you've pointed out before, begotten Christ figures are everywhere in ancient literature and scripture. But what about this threat from the johniam? We are to enjoy it while we can. I get that part. That's easy. But when we CAN'T. Is he saying we won't be able to enjoy it when we can't?

VPW said your criminality or devilish trickery, if unseen, is only problematic if you believe it is. Based on this "foundational truth" I'm wondering: if you don't believe the acceptance of the Trinity is a devilish trick, is it?

These are great questions. Is accepting a Trinity a trick of the adversary if one doesn't believe it is? Like when one behaves like a criminal in private. Does the Adversary exist if one doesn't believe it does? Again, if no one is watching.

Thanks, T-Bone. I was wondering about what seems to be the over-arching tone of Johniam's OP. It seems argumentatively threatening. What do you suppose this threat is about? Who is he arguing with? There is an eschatological theme to "enjoy it while you can." I wasn't corps, so I'm not an expert on the devil. What's going on here?

The right alternative? Exactly. Everyone's doxy is the orthodoxy according to who's proclaiming it. But everyone can't be right. So, maybe, everyone is wrong and the truth is something else entirely. I don't know, nor do I claim to know. The Bible was written over thousands of years by dozens, if not hundreds, of authors and editors with different opinions and theologies and agendas. Different theologians have derived different doctrines from the same diverse collection of books we call the Bible. Right? I'm just trying to enjoy all this while I still can. Presumably, before it's too late. Because God's love is perpetual, until it's not. So I've been told.

Right. I never considered the Bible to be God until I took "the class." Later, I came to understand the words, like "pros," are NOT the Word. Some thoughts to enjoy while one can.

I don't think Thomas is helpful for this discussion. Maybe the infancy Gospel of Thomas says something about when he was begotten or else his pre-existence, but that is very late... and very weird. My earlier point was about how different the Christologies are between say Mark and John.

Thomas doesn’t have a narrative. Only sayings.

Kinda depends on which Gospel you read.

The Trinity developed over time as do all theological doctrines. I think Tertullian coined the term in the late 2nd century. (Later, Tertullian became a Montanist, SIT and prophesying more in one week than Paul and Victor combined did in their lifetimes.) The fourth and latest Gospel was the basis for this doctrine, obviously. John's was of a very high Christology. One might imagine, if this was the only gospel available to an early church assembly, why they might think Jesus was God. But this doctrine is ultra early when considered in the context of other spurious doctrines like five crucified and dispensational systematic theology. Both of those were hand--crafted like a fine APA in the 19th century.

Actually, if victor, bless his little heart, were still alive he might have found meekness, humility and silence. He might have repented with Godly sorrow. Only then might he have found what honest pursuit of Truth really means. Only then can the student be ready; and when the student is ready, the master appears. Sometimes, in order to understand what is, we need to contrast what it is not: the dark with the light, the good with the evil, victor paul wierwille with the Truth. If victor were still alive, I would let him sit at my feet, but not for long, because how embarrassing!

Thanks Mark, Please accept my loving correction. The goal of gaslighting is to make the gaslighted question everything they themselves discern and KNOW to be real and true, creating a codependent relationship with the gaslighter. This is abuse. This is brainwashing. This is evil. I suspect most here were too hooked and confused to confront or correct any leader. This was by victor's design. And once they woke up to Truth, they dropped it all and split. Though there are a few here who did confront leadership while still in. They've told their stories here. Sadness for not trying to correct those taught up by VPW? Probably not. More likely anger at the deceiver and his deceiving minions for the destruction of lives. Angry at the deceiver, VPW, for deceiving those seeking God; and angry at themselves for believing God is to be found through any mortal man with an engraved bracelet. Writing against victor wierwille, bless his tiny hard heart, is to write for the Truth.

It just occurred to me there are at least 8 TMOGs. Victor, bless his little heart, ANOINTED Loy's head with oil. OIL. Doesn't that make Loy the 8th TMOG?

7 of 9? Where did you get THAT? 9 is 3 to the 2nd power. And we don't do 3 around here. No trinity. No 3 crucified. No sir! Five crucified. That's riiight. Now the New Testament has 27 books. That's 3 to the 3rd power. That's impossible. That's just devilish. Anyway, it's not in the original. Now, take your eyeballs...er... I mean BIBLES out and turn to any of the Gospels. Pick one. Any one. Now, rip it out. Those records are to (T-O) the Jews. You're not a Jew are you? No? Good. Just tear it out. And you end up with what? 26. That's right. 26 books in the New Testament That's what Gawd intended. See, man made it 27, but Gawd made it 26. See how simple that was? Didn't even need a match.

Look, it's real simple, kids. It's just like PROS. It's just glove fitting is all it is. Just tremendous the order of these things... Carl was the 4th. Jasper was the 5th. Scott was the 6th. Of course, VPW was the 7th. Isn't that wonderful! Yes, it is. Bless your little hearts. And you can have believing faith that this is true because I said so. Believing faith implies obedience faith. I can't prove any of it. Only a coordinator of music with a trusty A/V guy can prove the matchless order of these things. Unless the A/V guy gets too tired, then the whole thing falls apart.

Four trees. The people were trees. Axiomatically, the trees were people. The number 4 is significant because of 18th century French tombstones. "The earth is flat," said a man who wrote a pamphlet called "Also." Gosh, all this beleeeving IS, indeed, exhausting. I hope it's not deadly.

You read the accuracy like it has never been read before. He stopped the Russians once by beleeeving. Imagine what VPW could do if he didn't get so tired that he stopped beleeeving. Well, he could stop them again, that's what. He was the seventh, after all. After Scott, precisely.

If we could find our who this music coordinator is, we could ask him directly. I suspect this coordinator of music groups is the funniest man of all time. A real clever fellow. An entertainer. It's worth finding out if he has a podcast or YouTube channel.

The source of this is imagination from a mind transformed through the "rubbing in by repetition." A mind of an apologist walking by the spirit of delusion, clutching desperately to the blinding bull$hit. A mind of an apologist fervent in his rejection of the freedom required to know that which is eternal, Truth, Love. Or, to provide a very loose, free interpretation literally according to usage: it comes from the devil himself.

Bernie Madoff gave $millions to philanthropic endeavors, but all anyone wants to focus on are the lies and the defrauding of thousands out of $billions. Harvey Weinstein produced Pulp Fiction, True Romance and Things to Do in Denver When Your Dead, but all anyone wants to focus on is the raping. Michael Jackson made Thriller. THRILLER. But all anyone wants to focus on is the child f#cking.

The seventh and FINAL. The eschaton is near.