Nathan_Jr

Within the first 5 or 10 minutes of one of the clips. I can’t remember which one. I have an extremely low tolerance threshold for his image and voice before getting physically ill. It’s a spiritual defense reflex. Sorry, I can’t go back through the videos, but I remember it being in the beginning.

It took me years to find a copy of the CF&S video. For those interested, here it is: https://archive.org/details/chr15t14n_f4m17ys3x Here, deep in the obscure crevasses of Archive.org, is a three session, fifteen+ hour recoding of the thief in clown shoes holding forth. Perhaps, someone here knows the date of the recording. It's a later version, I suspect, because vic apologizes for the omission of the beastiality images - someone advised him to remove them, he admits. He seems sincerely regretful of the omission; you can tell he really wanted to show it and hold forth on his fetish. In one session he goes into a profoundly immature and stupid exegesis of the Garden and Eve and the Serpent and the Trees. He admits to no proof for his conclusions and only carnal, childish opinion as the source and power of his logic. Even the amateur student, with a mere superficial, elementary understanding of hermeneutics and exegesis, couldn't miss the obvious error, stupidity, mathematical imprecision and scientific inaccuracy of this thief in clown shoes. For anyone still in denial of victor as the thief, here's some more evidence.

Matthew 7:16 Jerks are among the fruits produced from being taught up by and conforming to the dogmatic doctrines of VPW and TWI. Those here who are no longer jerks are proof that you can, indeed, go beyond what you were taught.

T-Bone - Excellent treatment on the provenance of the phrase "Power corrupts." (I always appreciate the granularity.) Your quote above was my experience with the local father in da word when I asked serious questions from a place of genuine, humble yearning to find out. The authentic love and charity I manifested unto all (without exception) in the fellowship was dismissed as counterfeit when I challenged the opinionated claim that victor researched diligently for 18 hours a day so I wouldn't have to. I pointed to Bullinger's as the real work, but not in a gotcha way; rather, surely you meant to give credit where it's due? This kind of power that passive-aggressively asserts "it's true even if you don't believe it" comes from a place of deep insecurity, embarrassment and phony posturing. The Jerk is taught up and formed from one mold. Varying sizes, sure, but the same cookie-cutter. Victor machined the mold

It was drilled into me, too, by my professors and Strunk and White. But I think passive voice is tolerated in scientific and philosophical writing. You've read this little book, or long essay, or pamphlet, right? I thought you recommended it here last year or earlier. It's all about why and how we BELEEEVE and why and how belief can be so dangerous.

Oh, Bertrand! And this, from his Free Thought and Official Propaganda: "What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is its exact opposite."

Maybe, but Im not convinced of this right now. Is leadership a lonely journey? Does a true leader have FOLLOWERS, aka zombies, sheep? Is this leadership? Or if a leader doesn't have followers yet, is he a leader at all? Who is he leading during this lonely time? Probably deserves it's own thread, if one doesn't yet exist I like this phrase. (Keltner's?) A marker of narcissism. There seems to be a subtle shade of deep insecurity underlying the fetishized ideas of leading and teaching in TWI. An insecure, desperate need to be liked and accepted and validated, but hedged by the cop out of "having no friends when it comes to the word." FU, I'm right, you're wrong, says the pouting, lonely, self-absorbed child.

A necessary one... a$$hole is censored here. Somehow this is connected to "I have no friends when it comes to the word." (Please correct me, if that quote is inaccurate.) That was one of many, many strange or deceptive phrases vic held forth with in "the class" that jerked me out of the trance. At the time, I wondered: What in TAF does THAT mean? Or when my Corps grad twig leader held forth on his WOW year in Rhode Island (c.1980). He and his wife sold exactly ZERO classes.... because everyone in their town was a jerk. Only a jerk, an immature a$$hole, would say or think these things.

This thread is very, very good. So much nuance and texture and depth. I'm still working my way through it. Lots of excellent insight by all contributing. And excellent books! So many quotable points by all in this thread, but I'll start with this one. It's one of the deepest roots of the illness, the blindness, the dulled perception and blunted awareness. The one who claims to have the Truth, surely is the one who doesn't. Jerk is euphemistic. Getting taught. Always getting taught. Such a fetish for teaching and getting taught, indoctrinated, dulled by repetition. There is no vitality in imitation. Again, so much in this thread. Thanks to all contributing here.

Amen.

It seems your credibility is attacking itself.

All the bull$hit is exhausting. Like a sharp edge being rubbed down repeatedly to dullness. Like the mind of a poor child taught up in TWI - dulled, blunted, full of BS. To WHOM is the asset or liability attached? And which is it? Asset or liability? So much BS, who can keep up? I'm not an astute music coordinator. I need someone to rightly divide it for me. It's for my learning.

Has a determination been made? Asset or liability? And on whose balance sheet would it be placed?

Great. Thanks. Fascinating. What are those 7 instances in the NKJV that are not in the NIV?

Hi Mark, I noticed you didn't capitalize word of God. We've been exploring what the Word of God could be in this thread? What is the difference between the word and the Word? Any thoughts? Any thoughts on who the only or primary teacher could be?

Zombies are formed. They are not created or made. They are formed through teaching. Teaching = rubbing in by repetition

Uh-oh

Word. W-O-R-D. It's not a misspelling. Chew on it for a minute in the mirror and watch your brain explode. The return of Christ is intimately connected with the Christ in us returning to this Word (PFAL).

"What about the money you owe?" "For WHAT!?"

I'm reminded of an iconic scene from an absurdly wonderful movie full of iconic scenes.

You don't need to know what it means. I will know what it means for you. All you've got to do is BELEEEVE it.

Mike said: I see it as THE new administration, and so do others who have come back to PFAL. The return of Christ is intimately connected with the Christ in us returning to this Word. So, The Word is PFAL. That settles it. Gloves and doves. Diamonds and ducks.

Hold the farm! I found the answer! The Word is NOT the Bible, it's NOT Jesus, and it's NOT the Christ. The Word is PFAL

A curiously Aryan Jesus was rendered on velvet, framed and hung conspicuously on the wall of the set during the filming of original PFAL. Anyway, who wants to look at a bastard Jew?

Good questions. I suspect that alternatives require deeper thought, perception and awareness. Contemplation is incongruent with rubbing in by repetition. The Bible as the Word is the gloved hand. A three-fingered glove perfectly fitting a cartoon mouse.