Nathan_Jr

The term is loaded and elusive and arbitrary, as the BT video points out. I don't identify as atheist, nor do I identify as theist. I generally like what Sam Harris has to say about atheism.

If something is absent, it's not here, it's not present. God in Christ in you? How can Christ be in you if Christ is absent? Are you absent? Where is the power if it is absent? And what is the word that takes the place of this absent Christ? The Bible? The KJV Bible? The Llamsa Bible? What a disappointing substitute! This is one of many, many examples of victor defecating in his own hand and then throwing that feces in the face of God.

Truth. Amen.

Introducing.... John 10:10a -- victor paul wierwille, Doctor, T7TMOG John 10:10b -- Christ

I don't recall this, but I can believe he taught it. The Devil is not mentioned in Genesis 1:1-2. Not even implied. But if he is already making it up as he goes along, he will make it fit like a hand.... Great post, T-Bone. Hilarious and enlightening! (Yeah, the flat earth lie is based on these ancient Hebrew cosmological, mythical models.)

Ahhh. Right. He may have been on his way to tie it all together with gloved hands at the end. I couldn't listen to the whole thing, as I can't most recordings of his. He definitely starts with the flat earth dome for the kingdom of God. When I find it, I'll post it.

Ooohhh!!! Please elaborate!! I can barely type I'm laughing so hard! There is a recording out there. It's a SNT or Advanced or Corps teaching. It's on YouTube. I'll try to find it. A question is asked and he goes off on the dome but sounds shaky about it, yet he holds forth as T7TMG anyway.

Victor "taught" that the kingdom of God is within, under and limited by a dome. This is in line the flat earth model - a disc-shaped earth encapsulated by a dome. Any thoughts on putting God's kingdom in a box...er... a dome as "taught" by victor?

Thanks. This is always true, right? Divorce, war, etc. So, were your parents in a fight with Waydale? You were shot in the crossfire from a fight between Waydale and your parents? I thought Waydale was an open and free forum in an open and free society. Who is fighting where you are caught in the crossfire? And if Waydale is a forum, how is it a party in a fight? Or did the fight take place on Waydale? Real questions. I'm not arguing with you. I'm not doubting you. I start with acknowledging that I know next to nothing. I'm just trying to understand what you mean, because what you've said so far is not clear.

That's generous. More accurately, his check cleared. This is always embarrassing. It's so "cringe," as the kids say. I have many friends with PhDs. None of them want to be called "Doctor." None. Not one. Almost every one of my college professors with a PhD insisted we call them by their first name or professor or Mr./Mrs. These people worked hard and earned their degrees, yet they all found the title to be pretentious. They let their walk do the talking that a title could never do. Why the desperate need to impress? Why the need to artificially anoint oneself with a title? The title doesn't guarantee authority. But Victor thought it did. It's a pretentious move by the insecure and immature. Diploma mills like Pikes Peak were popping up literally everywhere in mid 20th century America to serve ministers. Charlatans like vic were a dime a dozen and needed some quick credentials to keep up with the market. Econ 101. The supply meets the demand.

So much meat, Rocky and T-Bone. So much meat. The Achilles heel is the fatal flaw. It is the inherent deficiency or weakness that brings about the hero's downfall - a fall from greatness, a tragedy. The implication of the question is that victor and Loy are men fallen from greatness. Aristotelian tragic figures. Are they great men with fatal flaws? Tragic figures are sympathetic figures. Are theirs narratives of falling from greatness because of a weakness? Or are they narratives of rotten men imploding on their own inherent wickedness? I don't know enough about Loy, but I suspect that he may be the only candidate for tragic hero. He may have had great potential, but victor trained him up and taught him up into wickedness. If Loy has an Achilles heel, it is credulity. He is intellectually and spiritually gullible. He BELIEVES the lie of victor's greatness. He can't see that victor is simply clothed as a sheep. Victor is not a tragic hero. He is not great just because he claims to be great. His lust for power is not a precursor to his downfall. It is a mere characteristic of his complete wickedness - a shading of the iris of his eye. Like all NPDs, he self-implodes into all his flaws.

Wow. Just wow. mmmmph

Not a good thing at all. An obedient mind is not free to observe, to inquire, to contemplate. An obedient mind is an enslaved mind and can never see clearly.

johniam: "Back in 1980 or so, the coordinator of the music group I was in said that VP was the 7th "THE man of God" and that this was very significant. I never heard that same message from anybody else and I'm not sure what it even means, but I do believe that VPs combination of gift ministries was unique, not cookie cutter. Nobody has duplicated the respect and impact he got from his people. LCM acted like he had automatically earned that respect, but he did not." This absurd claim spawned a thread of its own to investigate who the other 6 The Men of God were. It seems to belong in this thread, too.

I've read this account here before. It's one of my favorite stories because it's so absurdly hilarious. It easily could have been a premise for a sketch on Mr. Show. Some of the funniest bull$hit I've heard anywhere. (It's up there with the music coordinator and T7TMOG.) There are people out there who still believe this.

Thanks, Twinky. This is all so F'd up. A form of gaslighting. "I'm the only one who can protect you, and you sure do need protecting!" Sorry to get textually technical -- I only just now did a quick read of Ezekiel 22, so I may need to go back and read it more carefully, but wasn't the prophet talking about what the LORD had said - the LORD was looking for one man to stand in the gap or else the LORD himself would destroy the land?

Thanks, Rocky. So, Victor was standing alone, righteous before Yahweh, to save Israel from destruction from Yahweh? Was this about protecting TWI from Yahweh's wrath? Sorry. There's probably some context to microbe's post that I'm missing. And the bit about waiting for Michael to win a particular battle? I need some help unpacking this, please.

Is this something vic said? It sounds like it easily could be. What is the gap?

Damn, you're good WordWolf! Thanks. The He/Him referred to by Micobe is victor??

"He received a Master of a theology from Princeton Theological Seminary. He later went on to get a doctorate degree." (But NOT from Princeton Theological Seminary, rather, from a mail-order degree mill.) These are linguistic sleight of hand tricks designed to deceive, distract, obfuscate. A mind dulled by "repetitive rubbing" believes the trick. An obedient mind is not alert to this sleight of hand. Yum

Brilliant!

I thought Victor taught those who reject his teachings won’t got to hell or eternal torment, they’ll just go to sleep for the 2nd and final time. No passing GO. No crowns. Just unbelieving sleep forever. I’m probably misremembering. It’s hard to keep up with all the bull$hit dogmatic doctrine. I need to renew my mind to remember accurately. Surely, someone can correct me, as one might correct a dog

Yep. Mel Brooks’ main target in Blazing Saddles is bigotry/racism; a perennial target in American comedy going back at least to Mark Twain. Comedy is a courageous window to truth, an unflinching mirror to ourselves. It seems to me the best comedy is only concerned with these things - concessions to the audience risk indenturing the comic to whoredom. The audience will get it, or not. (See Norm Macdonald.) When Dave Chappelle was in the midst of defending a cancel attack last year, he was unrelenting and said Americans’ "ears had become brittle.” Some consider him the GOAT.

"Where da white women at?" (Mel Brooks is a genius. If he made Blazing Saddles today, he'd be cancelled.)

Thanks, OldSkool! Well done! Wow, even RICO charges. I mean, the raping is a mundane old hat straight off the top VPW's head, but the civil conspiracy and RICO counts - they go to the heart of what it is to be a cult. Does anyone know if the Allens are still married?