Nathan_Jr

Thanks, Rocky. I was expecting something like this from you. I have wondered. It seems to me victor and Loy exhibited explicit bias against, well, everything true. The youth trained up and taught up as to how (H-O-W) unknowingly developed implicit bias aligned with Vic's malignant explicit bias. My father-in-law, who revered vic because his brother was Corps, openly acknowledged his bias. Not in a free and truthful way, but with diligent effort to only read material that confirmed four crucified, a flat earth, T7MOG, and the myth of the myth of six million. He only watched one "news" channel. He could see his bias, but he BELEEEVED his bias was accurate, correct. He smugly championed his bias. And he felt justified because of what he BELEEEVED about the 1942 promise and T7TMOG. A nice man, but blind. To be aware. To be divinely, sublimely aware. Impossible while clinging to bias. Can we simply pay attention to our bias? Can we observe ourselves freely? Can we know ourselves? Truly. Can we truly, completely know ourselves? Find out.

So, is it mathematical exactness or is it mathematical probability? victor, it seems, will change his methodology to fit his doctrinal whimsy. He will shamelessly contradict himself to make it fit his opinion. This is the real liability.

This.

So the word of God is reduced to statistical probabilities? This logic is born of in depth spiritual awareness and perception? This is how one "rightly divides the word of truth" -- statistical probability!? This is how one separates truth from error? Or, are these four verses not in the original? Growing up in a Christian household, I was never taught that Jesus was God. It seemed obvious that he was not, based on what Jesus himself said about himself, and It just wasn't an issue. There was NEVER talk about what others believed as "wrong." We didn't proselytize or evangelize. And no one desperately tried to prove a negative. Only humble affirmation of Truth. Again, it just was not an issue anyone desired to create, make or form. I remember gasping in awe at how immature (spiritually/intellectually/linguistically) the writing of JCING was. I read about half of it before deciding not to waste any more time on such drivel. And I never even believed Jesus to be God! I was embarrassed for victor and for those thinking he was an enlightened glove-fitter.

Thanks, T-Bone. I always appreciate your thoroughness and willingness to endeavor an answer. This is among the most profoundly prescient sentences I've ever read anywhere about anything. Holy F*cking Sh!t. Damn, T-Bone... just... damn....

T-Bone, will you please point me to the "soul-life" verse in the Bible? I've searched the term in various forms through two different concordance tools with no results. I'm probably just spelling it incorrectly or something simple like that.

It’s so important to be able to perceive this. This awareness leads to knowledge and understanding on a cosmic scale. Just for the record...What the preacher teaches is not real. There are preacher-teachers that can recreate, change, produce things that look authentic...like a wolf clothed as a sheep. More now than ever, don't believe everything you see, read or hear.

Soul-life is from blood? Didn't vic "teach" in PFAL that soul-life came from God breathing it into Adam? So, soul-life begins when a baby takes its first breath, not before. This logic provided the cop out vic needed to force those girls to abort his babies. Right? The babies weren't breathing in the womb, hence, no soul-life = abortion of victor's rape babies were A-OK because a fetus doesn't have a soul-life. Maybe I'm misremembering. All the bull$hit gets confusing. I'm probably trying to fit the left-handed glove on the right hand.

Right, Twinky! Huh?!?! is exactly right. So, it's a blessing of abundance that allows us to be the answer to division? Which division? The one inside or outside the church? And what kind of abundance? Just piles and piles of odorous excrement.

Yes, T-Bone. Yes. Oh, the irony of victor's bull$hit. From the very beginning of PFAL and through virtually every SNT and recorded holding forth, victor maligns the brethren, the Body of Christ. The level varies from subtle, devilish winks of a prosthetic eye, to overt, melodramatic rambling. HOWEVER, it's always, always there - the division pouring forth from and created by victor's unenlightened heart. WTAF does this bull$hit word salad sentence mean? Which is it? What are we talking about here? Division inside the church or outside? Is the division between Republicans and Democrats the opposition? The outside, arbitrary divisions between Mickey and Donald are what we must move forward with strength against? The racial divide is our opposition? Word salad. victor wrote hundreds, if not thousands, of word salad sentences like this. The unenlightened are easily impressed. Oh, so sinister. Here we go again. Always with the teaching and slavery and defecating in the mouth of God and in the mouths of those seeking Him.. This is NOT what being filled with love means. And it's not a result of being filled with love. BUT, for the cult leader, teachability is critical.

Ha! If you're ok with the passive voice, I am, too. Yeah, it was ok as it was - just putting a finer point on a fine point.

*is This is the bruise on the fruit telling you that it's rotten to the core. Do not underestimate this bruise. The one who claims to HAVE the Truth surely is the one who does not. When defending victor's hubris, Mike said: if one can jump over a barn, is it bragging to say so? No. But who can jump over a barn? No one can. So, what does it say about the one making the claim? Everything you should need to know.

Because, T-Bone, you don't know how (H--O-W). You don't know HOW to defecate in the mouth of God. That's why you need the class! How (H-O-W) can you learn to take a dump in the mouth of God unless you've been taught? If only you could read it in the original...

What does this mean? We don't have the original autographs. I'm sure this is strategic phrasing. Any thoughts on this hedge? victor loved to say, "I wish you could read it in the original." HOWEVER he didn't even have an elementary grasp of Greek - the original written language of the New Testament.

How else could it be but a downward spiral fading into obscurity and death? Rebuild what? Rebuild on what? The 1942 promise? The foundation of the entire enterprise from the very beginning is based on lies. All of it. Let them repent. Let them address their sins. Let them get honest. Then what? BUT let them WAKE UP to Truth. Let them truly get born again. Let them find out what that means. Only then will they be free to see that there is nothing to rebuild. All that will be left to do is fold. Until then, blindness, folly, death. *Thank you for every word you've ever written here, Skyrider.

No worries! It doesn't even matter. Just morbid curiosity. Great suffering and calamity has befallen those leaders who condemned the accidental death of your branch leaders. I was hoping to read the public records and news media chronicles of their demise.

Thanks, Chockfull. A mind filled with God's Word? Does that mean a mind filled with the Bible? Or does it mean filled with God's will? So much bull$hit it almost makes sense. A renewed mind is not one conformed to any doctrine, any book, any teacher - this is an enslaved mind. A renewed mind is one that is free and clear. Like a child's mind. Free to be in awe of the wonder of that which cannot be named.

Ok. Fine. Let it be a figure of speech. Still, what does it mean?

What a horror story! Abject wickedness. The leaders who condemned the your branch leader? Do you remember their names? Where they live?

I realize this is a false, serpentine doctrine, but what does it mean?

That sounds about right. Not matter the size and shape of he hand, they can MAKE it fit the glove. if the word of God is the will of God, I'm going with the will. The will of God takes the place of the absent Christ. This is what victor meant in the original.... I think. So much bull$hit, it's hard to know for sure.

Perfect. Thanks. I agree. Vic's doctrines were goofy non-sequiturs, including this one. So, according to victor, the word of God replaces the carnal, fleshly Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ, who is obviously absent in the five senses realm. What do you think he meant by "the word of God?"

Cman is asking why is there a return if he's NOT absent. Regardless of his function, he is NOT absent, right? Or is he absent because of his function? Maybe these questions were answered and I missed it. Could you explain? Pretend I'm a golden retriever.

Right. I got that from the beginning. The food just brought me to the thought that labels are a product of our conditioning. Labels are insufficient and usually problematic, divisive and destructive for the labeler and the labeled. Whether we realize it or not, labels are constructed out of laziness, immaturity and a lack of clear thinking, intellectually and spiritually. Can we see this about ourselves? One can not see what actually, truly is as long as one is artificially labeling. And one can never come upon that which is eternal, that which has no name, if one is always seeking to label according to one's conditioning, programming, indoctrination. This was true in Bronze Age Palestine and it's true today.

Bart Ehrman used to identify as "agnostic atheist." Agnostic is a term I can get behind, but not as a label. I've said here before that I know next to nothing and embracing this not knowing leads to a healthier life experience. Either I know or I don't, and I am open to following to following the evidence, wherever it might lead. Atheist, theist, agnostic... Whatever the label, it tells one little to nothing. I'm not sure these labels are helpful at all when one is trying to find out about another.