Nathan_Jr

Fair guess.

Or he remains in denial. She said he attended counseling sessions only because they were mandated or obligatory but never embraced the exercise. Therapy can lead to real awakening and liberation, but it requires acceptance and a willingness to look honestly at oneself. Until then, he has no new light to shine. No light at all. None. It's his free will choice to remain in darkness.

Yep. Central. Fundamental. Foundational. His deeply profound insecurity may not be mentioned enough, but this quality is clearly evident in every letter to his early congregational off-shoot, every Corpse letter, and even in quotations attributed to him in POP. Though much of POP is spurious, the quotes showing his whiny insecurities are too embarrassing to be made up by a sycophant like Greer, they are an unintentional indictment of his narcissism.

We stand for those we respect, either voluntarily or compulsorily, according to social norms. We stand for the judge AND the jury in a courtroom. Soldiers stand at attention for their commanders. Does everyone stand for the President? (I'm thinking of the press corps - do journalists stand at a press conference when the President enters?) Here in the Deep South, some of us stand for women whenever they stand, and sit after they sit. I suspect standing for an authoritative figure goes back to emperors and kings, who were usually military leaders. Standing for self-proclaimed religious leaders has its tradition in the Catholic Church - not 1st century, not Paul (as much as he would have loved the attention). If one has to whine about others standing for him, one doesn't deserve the gesture of respect. Whining about such a thing tips one's hand to one's illegitimacy.

If you want to eat anywhere near victor, but you want to follow Paul, just cross out the verse. Just cross it out. It wasn't in the original. None that I've ever seen, and I've been to Germany. Plus, it just doesn't make sense the way it interprets itself. Anyway, like Bullinger and his Trinity, Paul wasn't accurate about EVERYTHING. If Paul could have believed big enough to live long enough, he would have seen how much fun slander and greed and drunkenness and rape and swindling could be.

If Paul could have lived long enough, he could have taken the advanced class to learn that slandering those opposed to idolatry and rape is only a problem if you BELEEEVE it is. In this verse, Paul is describing victor with a mathematical exactness and scientific precision not known since...well, since Paul wrote it... I guess Paul didn't know any saints who were sinners. (That cop out must have come in a later dispensation.) Paul said don't even eat with people like victor. Don't even eat with such people! Just tremendous accuracy. 1 Corinthians 5:11 (NIV) But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.

Sorry to hear this. Endeavoring to make sense of the evil fraud that is vpw and twi can trigger trauma responses that are as malignant as the crimes suffered - the persistent rotting fruit. It's a trap. I do pray, and I will.

I don't think DWBH still posts here, but I'm so grateful for all his contributions. Did anyone else experience this? It reminds me of getting a call over the intercom to report to the principal's office in middle school or high school. It also reminds me of summer camp where an announcement would be made over the loud speakers if one's mother called or a package arrived. My question is: what was the script? "DWBH, report to the doctor's office, immediately!" This just cracks me up. Anyone have any insight?

Thanks, Chockfull. So, it's the ministry rightly divided?? The rightly divided ministry? The ministry, the ministry and nothing but the ministry? The will of God is the ministry of God? Hey, if doesn't fit, MAKE it fit.

This! When the veil is lifted, what you will see cannot be unseen. This seeing is clarity of perception. But another cannot see it for you. Another's claimed light is not the light that will illuminate. This clarity of perception cannot be taught. No amount of teaching can SEE the Truth for you. You can only see it for yourself. You either see it, or you don't.... until you do.... no one can see it for you. When one sees the Truth, one realizes it is nothing to be possessed. Beware the one claiming to HAVE the Truth, for he surely does not.

Dominate, Obey, Commit, Command, Indoctrinate, Program, Persuade, Conform, Submit to the hireling....Defecate in the mouth of God and call it moving the word...

As usual, this makes me laugh out loud, but it also make me sad and angry because I know it's true. Members of AA receive chips as they achieve milestones in their sobriety: 30 days, 90 days, 6 months... Often, by the one year mark, the addict has achieved deep humility and gratitude, sublime clarity of thought, and a certain level of divine awareness and perception. Every sober addict will humbly tell you (only if probed) that it's because of God. But they have nothing to sell, nothing to prevail with, nothing to teach/preach, yet their abundant life is obvious and will share if asked. My Corps-trained fellowship leader went WOW in RI in the late 70's or early 80's. He said they couldn't sell one class all year because everyone in that city was an assh@le. Not that there could possibly be something wrong with how (H-O-W) he himself was selling! No humility. No examination of the self. No examination of the tactics or strategy. No examination of the product. I once worked in sales for a Fortune 100 company for over ten years. I would never have been successful if I used the cop out, "The buyers are all assh@les, so I won't hit my goal this month." I would have been fired.

Can you link the article? It seems a $5 fee is required to read it. (Apparently, God's word is not freely given.) I refuse to give another dime to this corporation. Is WOW based on Mark 6:15?

Was this an actual quote? It makes sense, even if T7TMOG never said it. HOWEVER, I thought the Word was the Will and the Will was the Word? BUT, it's the Ministry that's the Word? The Ministry, the Ministry, and nothing but the Ministry. This is what it's all about. The ministry, the corporation, the 501c3.

Perfect. Thanks.

My man in Amsterdam! Thanks, T-Bone. Philippians 2:6? Maybe this verse is handled in a different chapter, but it seems relevant here, even important. It's from one of the undisputed letters of the Pauline corpus speaking to the divine nature of Christ. Victor placed Paul way above Christ, so it seems he would address what Paul wrote about this issue. Thanks, again, T!

Right. If I had a copy of the book, I'd definitely do the research myself. I don't own any of his books.

Ok. Thanks. Someone knows. I'll wait. The title of victor's book was calculated to garner attention, foster controversy and cause division. In that sense, it was without error. Though vic claimed accuracy, attention and reverence were all he cared about (along with the three P's). We will have to agree to disagree about vic's book: it was less than ok.

Thank you very much, Mark. Actually, my question was what are the four verses vic refers to where Jesus is called God. I'm really asking about victor, what he wrote, what he meant. There may be more or less than four; there may be none, as you say -- not my question. What were the verses victor had in mind when he made the assertion? That's the question. I hope that's clear. Sorry for the confusion. Thanks, again.

Thanks, Mark. Do you know the four verses vic refers to where Jesus is called God? Which Bible software do you use? Is it Logos? And which interlinear do you use?

What are those four verses? What did God mean when he wrote those verses? Was God lying? Joking? Was he just tired from all the writing and made some simple mistakes? Does God mean what he writes and write what he means? (Thank God for math and statistical probability lest the whole thing fall apart from Genesis to The Apocalypse of John of Patmos.)

I understand how implicit bias is influenced by culture. I get it. I don't think my SIL studied CRT, she was likely regurgitating something she heard, but missed the nuance and complexity in her rush to sound smart, as a dilettante would. Though she said I was born racist, CRT may say, I was born into a racist culture and I can't avoid developing implicit racist bias? Ok. Wow. That's a very fine distinction without much difference! But I'm not denying implicit bias. I'm denying being born biased or born sinful. These are not natural states, they are conditioned states. Implicit bias is part of our conditioning, programming, indoctrination. We aren't even aware of it. It's socio-cultural conditioning. It's subtle. Like cult indoctrination. Us vs. them evolves or us vs. the empties....bias against everyone while preaching agape.....the cult(ure)....it's reflexive.

Does Nordell get into Critical Race Theory? Isn't implicit bias foundational to the theory? My beloved sister-in-law, who self identifies as "progressive liberal," explained that our implicit racial bias is something we are born with. (Or born into?) She tried to tell me I was born racist because I was born a white, middle class, American male. This immediately triggered a trauma response rooted in the cult telling me I was born in sin and I don't deserve grace so I should be thankful to T7TMOG for teaching me. I reject as not only false, but evil, the claim that anyone is BORN with implicit bias or born in sin. Guilty before you can utter your first word? No way! Get thee hence! This notion of being born in sin (or with implicit bias) is about control. It's a gaslighting guilt trip ploy. It's wicked. But it's necessary leverage for both the religious and political cult.

Yep. Sorry. I see that now. Of course.

As you know, it goes back millennia to Ancient Greece.