Nathan_Jr

TWI is fertile ground for MLM exploitation. As you point out, TWI is a form of MLM. There are so many parallels. An unsound, dull mind, a mind that hasn't been taught how (H-O-W) to inquire, how to learn, is ripe for religious and MLM cons. A naïve desire to beleeve self-referntial authorities is all that's required. Thank God this insanity need not persist.

One workaround might be to follow everyone active in the past 6 months or so. Literally everyone who has posted anything (new topic or reply). This will increase the probability of getting notifications on anything new.

I don't beleeve there is. Probability is very low. It would likely be a burden on the server. It's not impossible, but the setting would be controlled at the back end. I don't beleeve the user has this control. HOWEVER, you can set your login opening view to the path I illustrated, or you can bookmark this view in your browser, so whenever you open Greasespot you will see literally any and every new post whether you're logged in or not.

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Perfect! Thank you, Skyrider!

I think you're right. Calling something spiritual or holy or enlightened, doesn't make it so. But that is all victor and Loy and the organization ever did. Naming. Labeling. Words... empty words. It's a curtain of verbiage.

This is exactly what it's about, nothing more, nothing less, nothing "spiritual." It should be recognizable to anyone working for any organization interested in developing its talent in order to achieve growth goals for the company. Human Resources 101. Thank you. This is the point. Right. There is NOTHING spiritual about any of those activities. To label them as spiritual doesn't make them so. Right. A goal of learning a new language, like Greek, can be measured and tracked. One can easily prove one's fluency. For example, one can be held accountable for progress in an academic setting by proving proficiency on tests. But how will one measure one's understanding of what God is? Who will hold one accountable for achieving this understanding, this "goal"? Is spiritual awareness something at all to be achieved? Who will say if and when you have achieved this "goal"? One must find out for one's self, alone, what spirit, spiritual, spirituality means. When one does, this idea of "spiritual goal" will become self-evidently silly. Spiritual matters just can't be handled this way. "Spiritual goal" is a non-starter, it's an oxymoron, it's a false proposition.

I'll offer an opinion, but I'd like to hear from Waysider, Skyrider, WordWolf, TBone, and Chockfull...if they can add.

I stumbled across this phrase while reading an old thread about overflowing abundance post-twi. A search yields exactly 16 results on these boards. Though one can infer from the context what this phrase might mean, there is no real expansive treatment, and "spiritual" seems misplaced -- it's confusing to a sound mind. I never went Corps, which may explain my ignorance. (I never went Sea Org, either.) Spiritual Goals: What does it mean? Is it exclusive to Corps? How are these goals measured and tracked? Does this go back to Loy? Victor? The Bible? Who coined this phrase?

When victor's god spoke audibly to him, was that revelation or something else? Is natural man speech from god different from revelation? Or is natural, audible speech from god a form of revelation? If it was revelation, and victor had not yet been carnally trained in the man-made mechanics of SIT, then SIT is not a prerequisite for revelation. If it was NOT revelation, and victor had not yet been carnally trained in the man-made mechanics of SIT, then SIT is not required to hear from god with your natural man five senses. ** An argument for the veracity of the 1942 promise is not what I'm after. The bullsh¡t of that story has already been revealed to me - the second time established it.

Naturally, after providing those links, this video popped up in my YouTube feed, because Google is Big Brother. Had to share. Kenji Lopez-Alt is a professional chef, cookbook and children's book author, NYT columnist and contributor to Serious Eats. Above all, he's an excellent teacher, unpretentious and down to earth. When it cools down in a few months, you might want to try the no-knead bread. Or not. This video might inspire you.

Bittman had a column for NYT years ago called The Minimalist. If you have an online subscription, you can access all his archived articles. (Much of it is on his website.) He also published several books you might be able to find at the library. AND he had a cooking show called The Minimalist - you might be able to find some episodes on YouTube. He was and still is a serious influence on how I cook and eat. Serious Eats can get pretty geeky with the science of cooking, which I like. Not just how (H-O-W), but why (W-H-Y).

I could and would stand for that!

From the very beginning of PFAL, I noticed these errors in logic or fact that he just steamrolled over, as if no one would notice - hoping no one would notice. During literally every segment of every session he made an erroneous assertion of fact or logic that jarred me, distracted me, bothered me. He repeated so many filler words and phrases in such a sing-song lullaby way, any uneducated or willfully ignorant mind would easily gloss over it. (Who would dispute self-referential authority on such esotericism?) The same for literally every recorded "teaching," including two AC recordings. If the bullsh¡t and error and pedagogical, brain-numbing cadence were scrubbed from PFAL, it would be less than five hours.

Ok. You can make it cheaper than you can buy it. Check out Bittman's method. Also, serious eats has lots of bread recipes https://www.seriouseats.com/search?q=Bread&offset=0 They are very good about explaining the how and why of technique and methodology. Do you still live in or near Mesa? Have you been to Proof? It's a bakery I've followed since they had a guerrilla operation in their garage. https://proofbread.com The real deal. 100% sourdough starter and locally milled grain for all their breads and pastry.

I don't, but I should. The modern classic no-knead bread recipe from Mark Bittman simply calls for a 50% whole wheat flour substitution when making whole wheat bread. https://markbittman.com/recipes-1/no-knead-bread Whats your question? What are you trying to do?

Is that what they say? It must be, because it sounds like so many other bullsh¡t assertions of opinion with twisted implications of axiomatic truth. WTAF! A subject is taught because the teacher respects it? That's the impetus for teaching? Respect for a manufactured opinion is why one teaches it? And they stand to respect the respectful??? Huh? It beaks my heart that people will just beleeeve anything. For example, I am a skilled cook. I respect the science and lore and craft of cookery. But I don't teach it because I respect it. If I'm asked to teach it, I would likely out of respect for the student, for that relationship, but ONLY if I felt apt to teach, which means skilled to teach. And being a skilled cook doesn't make me a skilled teacher of cooking. Just because a corporation is filled with robots who fetishize teaching, doesn't mean that any at all are apt to teach. Just because someone fetishizes a religious opinion, doesn't mean they have the skills to teach it. Wanting to teach is not a sufficient reason to teach. The best teachers are committed to being the best students - always learning.

As often as I laugh at the absurd piles of bullsh¡t revealed here, I find myself weeping with fists clenched in righteousness indignation and sorrow. With childish fantasies of revenge, I look around for victor and Loy to extract penance. But I can never find them, because they have been placed behind all of you at your feet -- this is where they have been commanded to go.

Is that what his father shows him? Let me guess -- the second showing establishes it. Because his father might change his mind, he needs at least two showings. Piles and piles and piles of bullsh¡t. (It wouldn't be as funny if you did make it up.)

Thanks, Mark. What a neat, succinct excerpt! I think it was Theophilus of Antioch who is first credited with using the term Trinity c.170CE. He didn't mean three in one, but a plurality, as this article suggests. His Trinity was the Mind (nous), the Word (logos), and the Wisdom (sophia) - citing a verse in Psalms for the divine Sophia. (Gosh, I could be mis-retemorizing all of this!) I think Paula Fredrickson once was affiliated with Stanford. She's one of my favorite historians. Yeah, real scholarship, real research. They don't begin with conclusions there.

THA or AH seed of the serpent lady? A distinction. Like AMOG or TMOG. Was this door to door witnessing a persistent occurrence in Gunnison? How much of an impact did or does TWI have on this little town? My brother went to college in Gunnison at Western State, but he chose to live in Crested Butte and commute. It was an hour and a half each way, I think. He was adamant about NOT EVER living in Gunny. He hated it, but he loved Crested Butte. He seemed to hate Gunnison as much as he loved the Butte. I always found this peculiar. I wonder if the presence of TWI's commanders could have affected his experience with the locals. He surely would have been labeled a seed boy.

This thread is pure gold!! The stories are simultaneously fascinating and horrifying. A request is tantamount to a command? Like a request for a foot rub? Or a request for fellatio? A request to abort an embarrassing and incriminating pregnancy? Bullsh¡t. (One might expect a logical evolution of paradigms from military general to athletic coach, especially after "Athletes of the Spirit." After all the effort to manufacture error in translation and interpretation in order to make it fit a carnal narrative, why not commit to the metaphor? I mean, a lot of creative and imaginative work went into changing what the text says to support the cringeworthy "Athletes of the Spirit." The fact is, Paul alternated between athletic and military metaphors - he used BOTH, and it's not a contradiction.) **Sorry. Athletes of the Spirit was a chunk of vomit stuck in my throat for some time. Had to get I out.

I really like where you've taken this thread, T, and I don't want to derail it. Maybe I'll start another thread, or maybe one already exists that addresses this bullsh¡t. I've thought about these quotes for years. They've always bothered me. TWLIL p178 quote sounds like vic is threatening or blackmailing his god. And his god will talk to someone who threatens him with an ultimatum, even one who CANNOT BELEEEEVE. So.... huh? Belief is not required to hear from his god? Apparently, even SIT is not required to get audible revelation from his god. And then on p209: He learned wherever he could? What? He didn't learn from his god who promised to teach him for fear of having to take the whole thing? So, he worked it by his five senses? His easily manipulated god didn't do the work of teaching it? Which is it? His god taught him or he worked it? Why does his god need a little charlatan to MAKE it fit? And why is his god reacting to threats from such a shriveled hireling?

All Christian theological doctrine and dogma is developed over time. Early Christianity was as doctrinally diverse as it is today. Converts were trying to make scientifically exact and mathematically precise systematic theological sense of the unquantifiable, the ineffable, since the very beginning. Some won, some lost. Yet, remnants of all early so-called orthodoxy and so-called heresy persist today. Why is religious theology, as developed over time, so maligned by a religious man who contrived his own theology over time? This pretense about getting back to the first century hopes everyone ignores the fact that hyper-dispensationalism is a religious doctrinal dogmatic man-made tradition developed in the 19th century, not the first century, and "adhered to as though it were divine revelation."

II Corinthians 4:16 is the claimed proof text. HOWEVER, speaking in tongues as a prerequisite to revelation is not the context or meaning. A real non sequitur proof. Pure, hot, steamy bullsh¡t. "So we do not lose heart. Though our outer self is wasting away, our inner self his being renewed day by day."