Nathan_Jr

Spaceballs?

Consider these the following terms. Consider them without context, but consider them in aggregate, then make an inference about their probable place. President Board of Directors Chairman of the Board Vice President Treasurer Secretary Director Coordinator Area Coordinator Branch Director Leader Area Leader HEADQUARTERS Does Church of God come to mind? Household of God? Family of God? Fellowship?

I don't know this one. I have no idea, but the lyrics sound to me like they could have been written by any of those three I mentioned. BTW, I fell in love with gloves during PFAL. The way they fit a hand. The way they don't fit. Everything about them. If I say I'm gonna try on gloves, it literally means nothing. A non sequitur. Like PFAL. I know the rules.

Really!? Wow! Well, whoever it is, I don't think I'll get the song. The three bands I'm guessing is the best I can do on this one. I'm gonna try on some gloves while we're waiting...

Abject wickedness... and sadness. This is how one KNOWS one is/was in a cult or in a narcissistic relationship. Insularity never has been and never will be an aspect of coming into awareness of that which is eternal, that which cannot be named. Only the lie requires belief. Only the liar needs someone to BELIEVE him for his lie to work. Belief has no place where Truth is concerned. Watch. Listen.

Requesting a hint: Is it one of these three bands - Phish, Little Feat or Steely Dan?

Private corporations protected by a tax code ostensibly bolstered by the First Amendment. Why are human rights offenses perpetrated by these religious corporations tolerated, even permitted, even sanctioned by an enlightened society? It's regressive and vulgar. Let them be treated as they are - for-profit corporations. If they endeavor charitable, altruistic actions, let them deduct those, as can I. The atrocities one is allowed in this country, if only he can get himself called reverend!

Likely in Cameroon, Congo, The Democratic Republic of Congo, or Venezuela, where these poor people have been victims of dictatorial, autocratic regimes for generations. Though Cameroon* may not be as politically brainwashed as the others, they suffer great internal division, nonetheless. These are ripe, societal Petri dishes for the propagation of bull$hit and lies. That's the foundational strategy. That's why the current WOWs are in those countries... and Florida. *Going off memory. I'm fully open to being corrected on this.

Right. A whopping 1500 subscribers.

Well done. Mmmmmmph

johniam, in a post on the trinity asset/liability thread that he started, cited the movie The Omen as some kind of evidence for his theological proposition. He had to learn that tactic somewhere. Some people really can't go beyond what they are taught.

Maybe he got it from a movie. This scene from The Last Temptation of Christ depicts devil spirits manifested as beasts - a cobra and a lion. This is an awesome scene. A scene from a film. That's all it is, a movie. It doesn't pretend to be anything else. It's NOT a sermon. It's NOT a "class." IMO, it's an underrated cinematic masterpiece from Scorsese with a brilliant performance by Willem Dafoe and a sublimely beautiful soundtrack by Peter Gabriel. This film is so misunderstood.

Well done, T-Bone! Lots to comment on here, but I can barely see through these tears of laughter to type anything. The Lifelines didn't directly cause me to laugh, they merely allowed me to laugh. A profoundly deep ignorance and contempt for Truth is required to buy into these Lifelines. A hatred of Truth. James Sebastian sounded like a wierwille acolyte to me. I thought someone here might recognize his name. Could be Mike's pseudonym.

Apparently, there's more detail in another of Bullinger's books. From James K. Sebastian's blog: In the Old Testament, God uses the “Idiom of Permission,” to conceal the enemy. In his book, “Figures of Speech used in the Bible”, E W Bullinger explains the Idiom of permission in this manner: “Active verbs were used by the Hebrews to express not the doing of the thing, but the permission of the thing which the agent is said to do.”

Yeah, I'm not sure Idiom of Permission is an idiom. The usage of idiom is awkward at best, probably inaccurate, dishonest at worst. I'm still investigating this. (Which means I'm searching again what I missed the first time - RE-searching.) As someone else pointed out, it's about converting active verbs into passive verbs for God. Why? Who knows! Maybe the hands won't fit the gloves, so you've got to MAKE them fit. A recent article in The Way Magazine handles the verb "to be", "being", "is" as it applies to God. The article insists that in the original, where they wish you could read it bless your heart, "being" SHOULD BE read "is becoming." The article goes through great pains and fantastic feats of illogic to arrive at this opinion asserted as a claim of fact. But I ask: If one is becoming, does that not imply one is incomplete? It seems to me becoming is like evolving, unfinished, not yet mature. So God is becoming something He is yet to be? In the future He will have completed his becoming so he can finally just be? God is not perfect, He is becoming perfect? May I also ask? What in the actual f__k!?!?!?

I have thought a lot about this claim. It's pure bullsh¡t in the Frankfurtian sense. It may be a lie, also. The factual truth is one most definitely can go beyond what one is taught. It happens all the time. In the case of victor's teaching, one MUST go beyond what one is taught.

Here's a little fable illustrating of how (H-O-W) this so-called idiom works in modern society, say, mid-20th century. A certain man, an old man born only once of a woman, a man of this world, a man who walked in the five senses realm, called himself a man of God. This self-described man of God wanted profit and p*ssy and power. This man, seeing his brother's profitable success in buying and selling, decided to get in the game. What would this man sell? A class! How (H-O-W) would he get it? He'd steal it. The class became available and the man stole it. That's how (H-O-W) he got it. Now that he had it, what would he do with it? This man decided to film himself holding forth on the stolen class along with lots of other things he didn't fully understand. Now, this man knew nothing about professional film production. But God sent messengers in the form of professional film producers and technicians. These messengers of God gave this man practical advice and prescriptions for how (H-O-W) and why to do what and when concerning the photography lights and everything else. This man, this so-called man of God, spat in the face of God's messengers! This so-called man of God rejected the practical advice sent from God! He disobeyed instructions from the messengers of God. Now, God did not get angry with this man. But since the man disobeyed the first time, God wouldn't tell him again a second time. The result of this man's disobedience was cancer of the eyeball. God didn't cause the cancer. The man's arrogance and spite caused his own cancer. The man's free will caused the cancer. God allows free will. God allowed the man to disobey Him and let the man cause his own cancer. God permitted this man to make a free will choice of ignorance and disobedience. That's what killed this man. God only wanted him to listen and obey.

Except when it is. Getting too hung up in man-made technicalities causes one to miss the forest for the trees. This was one of the great stumbling blocks for victor and bullinger. The Mediator, the Advocate... these are functional titles. They are descriptive, they are not mysterious linguistic codes. Now, "at the right hand of God" is, indeed, a figure of speech. These titles and figures of speech are NOT in conflict with each other, nor are they in conflict with "Christ in you." Just because it SEEMS to be mysterious or difficult or ill-fitting a man-made theological proposition, doesn't mean it's any of these. Where is God? Far away on a cloud with a long beard and a lightning bolt? Where is God? Is God near to you? How close is God? Can you measure the distance? Try it. I submit to you if you can measure the distance in inches or feet or miles, that is not God. Is Christ in you? Where is Christ? At God's right hand? Where is God? Is God absent? Where is Christ? Is Christ in you? Is Christ at God's right hand? Is Christ absent? Find out for yourself - no one else can find out for you. Cutting off one's fingers in order to MAKE the hand fit the glove is stupid. If the gloves don't fit, you must acquit; if they don't fit, it is not true to fact that OJ is the murderer. BULL$HIT. Except the gloves DO fit, they are HIS gloves, and he IS the murderer.

Thanks, T-Bone. It's a real dandy. Just tremendous.

What a cool book! Thanks, T-Bone! Do the authors actually use the term "idiom of permission," or is that a Bullinger invention? And does it apply to EVERY (without distinction or exception) action of God in the Hebrew Bible? Does it apply to the Hebrew only? Or also the Greek? According to the authors, should all verbs relating to God be read through this lens? Or only when one needs to make a passage fit a theological proposition? I understand what the idiom of permission means? But I'm unclear as to when it applies, and to which verbs. It's either always (without exception or distinction) or sometimes. Which?

Wow! Good one! I suspected the Kinks when you said not American. Wouldn't have picked it, even the Kinks were given.

I think Mike's point is it doesn't matter if victor changed because he got a free pass. I'm sure you know, there was never any snow on the gas pumps.

Every verse you cited points to this. Just this. No "class" can lead anyone to this. No dogma. No teacher. No authority. No systematic theology. No funny mathematics. One must find out for one's self. And when does find out, freedom, liberty, power and love abound. I, personally, don't identify as Christian. I don't identify with any particular religion, but I fully understand this. No one taught it to me, no one can. And I don't pretend that I can teach it to anyone else. Thank you for this, Twinky.

Didn't Paul say he got his gospel directly from the Lord, Christ Jesus, who had already ascended? Though Paul quoted (sometimes misquoted) the Septuagint, did he ever say that his interpretation of it through research keys replaced Christ? How can you receive something from an absent source? If Christ was absent when Paul was running the streets, from what or whom did Paul receive his gospel? How can you receive anything if it isn't available? And how can it be available if it's absent? You've got to know what's available, how to get it, and what to do with it once you've got it.