Nathan_Jr

Mmmph

Right. I was attempting to echo that sentiment at the end of my post. One needs to put in the work and be accountable. Nobody can do it by themselves, but no one can else can do it for you.

Right. When it's life or death, if a feather is required for life, let it be a feather. The language of the Twelve Steps is "a Power greater than ourselves.. God as we understood Him." The first time I got sober I was 21. Newbies were sometimes reassured that God could be a chair or a feather or whatever. That didn't make much sense to me, but we were also advised to "fake it until we made it." (I was in no position to judge.) At the time, I was deep in the study of non-theistic Eastern thought, so God was neither conceptual nor personal nor a box-bound, barn-jumping cookie Nazi, as I was later "taught." The Twelve Steps requires work. Honest, fearless, humble, personal, introspective work. Sobriety, like democracy, requires hard work to maintain. A feather without work is dead. I went to meetings for a year or two. As it has been said of TWI, I was glad to get in, I was glad to get out.

I don't know why I am reminded of this, but somehow, someway, I think it's relevant... Lately my som has had lots of questions about why the world is burning and about claims people make and about the manifestation of stupidity all around him. Kids at school regurgitating what they hear at home. His mom and her cult regurgitating what they hear in their echo chamber of mmmph. And he feels baited and tested and awkward. I tell him it's perfectly ok to say, "I don't know." Especially if you don't. That there is a certain power and liberty and freedom in letting go. That there is a deep knowing in the acceptance of not knowing. I tell him not everyone really cares about finding out if someone really can or cannot jump over a barn. I tell him most people just want to beleeve. To find out if someone is worth having a conversation with, ask them, "If you were wrong about xyz, would you want to know?" If the answer is, "But I'm not wrong," walk away.

How will you know the landscape if you can’t use a rake? The rake reveals the landscape. The rake IS the landscape. See how that works with mathematical exactness and scientific precision? So accurate. So, SO accurate. Mmmmph.

Landscaping is the adventure.

Fits like a hand in a...

“His works were learnt from others thru plagiarizing“ Not quite. Though I get the point, it has been shown he didn’t understand what he was plagiarizing, hence the ill-fitting… well, you know.

It's a business opportunity for a struggling business.

I think he revealed himself in that thread from which you quoted him. On his profile page he posts his website. It's not a secret. It's the Doctrinal forum. Everyone has an opinion. Almost everyone is right and almost everyone else is wrong. Me and you, us and them. Many are here to "teach" - because rewards and demerits and all that. But some good discussions are to be had, also. It's no different than the earliest incarnations of the Church in the first and second centuries. Revvel's style is not to my taste. So, I don't engage. He doesn't seem eager to discuss and answer questions the way Socks and WordWolf might.

All this talk of tailoring reminds me… “Summer is a great time for adventure—and if you’re looking for a way to work hard, grow, and still have time to enjoy all that summer has to offer, we’ve got something for you.” The subtle art of manipulative propaganda: equating a summertime adventure with mowing grass and stringing chairs. The ol’ bait and switch. This works especially well if one has been conditioned to accept logical fallacies as mathematically exact and scientifically precise. A pillar of the foundational bullshonta is established (twice?) in session one. John 10:10, THEREFORE, there must be keys. Ummm… nope. That’s not how logic works. This fallacy is known as a non sequitur. And if you said “mmmph” to this bullshonta, then you could be easily seduced by such promises of adventure.

Yup. That’s the literal according to usage translation. Apparently, not all (without distinction?) workmen are worthy of their hire.

Rewording the question won't change the fact that he chose to reveal his own identity here a few years ago. It's not a secret because he himself made it public. I noticed the same before you asked. Of course, he doesn't have to answer because he already has. Now that you know, does it really matter?

I am reminded of something Mike once said in defense of victor teaching Julius Erving a thing or two about a thing or two: Is it bragging to say you can jump over a barn, if in fact you CAN jump over a barn? Bragging or not, no one can jump over a barn, Mike.

Asherah? This, also.

Throughout the process of healing and achieving victory over those who were “taught” by victor paul wierwille, I still get triggered. The impacts and scars from the spiritual warfare will always be there. The road to Truth is necessarily hard, it seems to me. Welcome, Ex member. Thank you for sharing. I tried with little success to find some info on CF&R. But I did find a promo video of their 2012 Advanced Class. There was a slide indicating “Five Keys to Walking in Spirit.” Isn’t that short a few keys? Did John Hendricks simply fail to fully absorb the wonderful, matchless “teachings” of VPW? What, exactly, are the five keys according to CF&R?

The opening sentence is bait and switch. Not even trying to conceal it. Sounds fun. Everything old is new again... https://www.theway.org/blog/apply-for-the-seasonal-work-program/ Apply for the Seasonal Work Program! February 17, 2025 Summer is a great time for adventure—and if you’re looking for a way to work hard, grow, and still have time to enjoy all that summer has to offer, we’ve got something for you. The Seasonal Work Program is your way to be a part of the team that keeps things running behind the scenes at The Way International Headquarters. This is an opportunity to get involved in various Departments, where you can contribute by cleaning and organizing indoor spaces, assist with painting or maintenance tasks, work outdoors to enhance the appearance of our grounds, or help to prepare delicious meals. It’s a great time to learn new skills, make new friends, and see the direct impact you make on the Word moving over the world. But it’s not all work—there’s time to recharge, explore, and enjoy your summer too. Whether that’s taking in a beautiful Ohio sunset at a park, grabbing coffee with friends, or just having a little extra time to rest in the shade, you’ll get a balance of work, impact, and adventure. There are four start dates to choose from: Monday, May 12, 2025 Monday, June 9, 2025 (Advanced Class) Monday, July 7, 2025 Monday, July 28, 2025 (Rock of Ages) There are four departure dates to choose from: Sunday, June 8, 2025 Sunday, June 29, 2025 (Advanced Class) Sunday, July 27, 2025 Monday, August 11, 2025 (Rock of Ages) The Advanced Class in June is a prime time when people can step in and lend a hand. And if you’re headed to the Rock of Ages, some positions even allow you to work while still being a part of the event! We have openings available in many areas, such as the Bookstore, Computer Services, Day Camp, Grounds, Facility Projects, Facility Support, The Way Café, and The Way Cleaners. Whether you’d like to come for a few weeks or adventure with us for the whole summer, applications are due by Friday, April 4, 2025. So, if you’re up for a summer of teamwork, purpose, and great memories, the next step is simple: contact your local leadership for an application, and take the first step toward an unforgettable experience.

It reads like a script to a Mr. Show skit. Jesus the Christ himself is showing how a passage in JCING works and fits (like a glove?) with a passage in RTHST?!?! WITAF! Did JC pull these books from his saddle bags? I mean wha... how... But it's not satire. This is dead serious delusion.

I love reading all the threads from the aughts. So much meat. I’ve read this thread a few times over the years but never noticed this post, or just don’t remember it: I initially thought it was satire or parody, and I thought, “Wow! This guy’s goood.” Then I continued down the thread and realized this guy is dead serious!

Thanks, Charlene. This got me thinking about those very early letters to his nascent ekklesia. They are short letters begging for money. The gaslighting and manipulation are subtle, the tone is almost sweet in desperation, written by a monster fully confident in his disguise to a supply still unaware of the hellscape they’ve entered. The Corps letters are full of rage and word salad, written by an NPD exposed for what he is, furious that his supply is leaving. Furious at the truth. The manipulation and gaslighting are obvious and the tone is angry and mean and desperate. All these letters read together chronologically show the arc of a relationship between an NPD and his supply.

As would the International Israelite Board of Rabbis. https://www.blackjews.org/synagogues/

Ahhh… the ol’ Truth in History Ministry of Owasso, OK. Among their BELEEFS, this is my favorite: WE BELIEVE that the Anglo-Saxon, Germanic, Celtic, Scandinavian and related peoples are the only people that fulfill all the prophetic earmarks that identify them with being the literal physical descendants of the ancient people of Old Testament history known as Israelites (Genesis Chapters 48 & 49; Deuteronomy 7:6-8) There’s a video on their channel called “St. Paul’s Visit to Britain - Tracing the Footsteps.” Just a tremendous Biblical truth, I’m sure. It appears they have out-researched Bullinger and Wierwille. And another video called “Confederate Revival in the American Civil War.” Soooo… they’ve got that going for them.

I see. A glove here, a hand there. What accuracy! Such in-depth spiritual awareness and perception. mmmph (Math and stuff.)

Established

Only for updates on Canada. To recap, Thanks again to all for confirming that the toponymic conventions are being adhered to by countries outside the U.S. (Except Canada, kinda) The Gulf in question was named Gulf of Mexico long before Mexico became a sovereign nation state. The earliest extant map with this place name is dated to 1550. It never had anything to do with political borders or ideology. Anyone can find out more by "searching again." (A fun coincidental fact: the last time RESEARCH meant "search again" was around the year 1550.) Other notable disputed bodies of water are the Persian Gulf (Arabian Gulf) and the Sea of Japan (East Sea).