mj412

yep not in Kansas anymore . it makes me go from wondering to angry about what could have my life been. funny we got into thinking we will be cured from the ills life may bring and end up spending the rest of our life trying to undo the damage done.

The little Prince by Antoine De Saint'Exupery This little book written in 1942 has won the best of awards in France and America . Summary An aviator whose plane is forced down in the Sahara Desert encounters a little prince from a small planet, who relates his adventures in seeking what is important in life. I actualy read this book in college for the first time it is very profound and has won numerous awards . it is a french book with many translations , still in print. It is a lifetime keeper ! The Princess Bride, much better than the movie see if you can find it in the original! The good DR with a collection of his Zakz , stars and ham and green eggs always a favorite!

it is absurd. that is my point to legalize everything one may thinks needs to be equal with rights, I think some need to educate themselves concerning the implications this would bring society as a whole . The problems that surround this issue are not as easy as being homosexual or being hetrosexual , we are a Country built on something other than feelings we need to have an order of things and a standard that the entire world looks to as a standard.

either your children are grown in other words your old or your married without children or your family is in the thing deep meaning gramma and grampa.. and you get away with normal problems or needs families have like money or time without confrontation and issues.

I agree Jim. even if all was said and done and they could prove me that the stuff wouldnt happen again , I cant forget and I do not want to .

If it is about equal rights and not the people voice then I for sure want my cats to vote ! they have feelings and rights and in fact laws have been writtien if you abuse them it is a felony charge agaisnt the state! lets go to the judges and let them decide, we have a large cat population here and I know I can get one elected. haha

Thank you Golie. I know the greasespot cafe works to help people understand how terror can happen amoung a group of mind sets that refuses to consider the fact they are no more or less than the average person who seeks God. that is why I wont go back , I know the love of God is so much larger than any group. and they cant fool me not anymore I know the story my own and HIS! Together they make for a life to serve a Risen Christ not a man or a woman with a weekly hair do appointment. they will say the same yet and this is what is killing me, they are still very ignorant (I am not sure if it by choice or design) in many areas of how God has written His bible. They refuse to grow up and keep learning , REFUSE , they are afraid of other churches or denominations and that sends a huge RED FLAG to me (two or three and christ is within them it is written) I think sometimes they hate Jesus Christ and that is when I get angry , they do not have much to say about who He is except in the gospels as a standard of conduct. and then cope out with in that culture stuff! like He is of no use to me today. they also will not touch the end times and Revelation and say it is to difficult to understand . hmmm nothing is to difficult for God and He wrote this book for a reason and that is for us to understand it , not just pretend it is not written. But I do see the attraction I saw it when I was involved, I see it now . they will convince you of answers and many make alot of sense if you can remember coming from the RC or a drug scene or confusion before knowing the bible pfal taught. and they will love you if you go along with the plan and design they know is right and respect you ! haha ( beginning of the problems!) I would never tell someone not to get involved. I say people are people and if it makes you happy go , if your learning and it makes sense go, but when it fails you and people disappoint you or hurt you remember God is still on the throne for all , and Jesus Christ is the only one who will never leave or forsake you as a friend. I go to many different groups and churches and often by myself and Christ is the one who meets me today and forever more Im in this bible gig with HIM for God. But when people where more important I recognize it as a fact for many today , and yep HONESTY is what works in life. A life of freedom demands honesty it just demands it, When I put my deals and rawness on the table for all to see as plain truth and reality is the only and I mean ONLY time I have have grown away from sin and found deliverence. At first it takes someone to love you to listen to trouble and sin UNTILL you learn to recognize the LORD you serve as a constant life force . Then the world becomes dim and lies are easy to shout out as the problem instead of one another. TWI still struggles with granting the Lord His Glory , they want it for them. They want to feed themselves and feel good about being the ONES who deliver . they never did and they never will it is a problem as to why they must isolate themselves into a cult like thinking of being special and then of course the getting cheap and weaker by the minute stale excuse of being the ones attacked. They glorify satan more than God with all their whining about how much satan gets to destroy their life (hello Mike) . it is a pity party wrapped in self serving worship . God is able to give us a good life a life full of Servce to the Risen Lord. TWI doesnt even recognize Jesus as the only Son of God with any purpose how can i think they would serve HIM? they do not they serve one another. It is very attractive .

Really oldies I talk to them alot and they want everyone to caome back . they will tell you how it is different and so much better now . Let me guess is it because a woman is running the program? is it?

yes golfie?

yeah Im not in they just want me to be . long story . I talk to them but it is getting worse in the discussions so not very often.

You may be surprized ya know they do want everyone to come back becuase the folks in now think it is better . they blame times gone past as a completely differnt thing or time they learned and cleaned the house hold. it is perfect now ya know . but I do believe the root causes are still there and I get sad listening to them sometimes. Still pompous still thinking they know what is best for god and the lowly ones who are not aware of how special the way is.

pawtucket Did twi take them or did ya lose them in a shuffle moving ? or did you think they from satan and destroy them? details pawtucket details please.

proposal stage: two-thirds vote of members present in both houses of congress (33amendments proposed) OR national convention convened by Congress at request of two-thirds of state legislaters(no ammendments proposed). Ratification Stage Three fourths fo state legislatures (25 amendments ratified) OR Convention in three-fourths fo the states (one amendment the 21 ratified) this is my concern : SECTION 10 prohibits ex post facto laws. Such a law would make illegal an act that was legal when it was performed. this is included in the bill of rights . (this only applies to those states that have not yet made it illegal) The president can veto the bill and the house and Senate may overide by a two-thirds majority of the members present in each house and then the bill becomes law.

also that christians fight to dam much amoung each other. see im getting started. What I was saying is and I may have sounded defensive I am sorry it doesnt do me any good to think about it. I am trying to think of today with a new day and when I see myself doing what I learned was right from twi. or an offshoot. I kind of recognize it and sometimes wish I was not thinking or doing things like this like condeming myself or another or feeling pompous and self righteous. I wonder if I never got involved if I would have to deal with these , but how would I know ? that is why I do not blame twi anymore and just begin working on changing what I do not like day by day . it isnt easy. I do wonder what my life would have been like but I have no comparison . i was very young and stupid then and old and not much smarter now I guess.. yea i am lying I guess one reason I can deny it is because I am afraid of just how angry I am but at what? a minisrty that "holds the truth"??? see I get to angry and it isnt good so I say i do not blame them till I start thinking about mylife and how much is connected to thoughts I learned from them and then I get angry at what MYSELF?? not good. so i try to stay peaceful and say they are ok and Im ok and life just happened this way and move on it is a daily process that is NOT working so well for me today. thanks. well ex you asked. one thing ? cant do it.

ex for you my answer is nothing. I do not think twi took anything , I think I gave them something alot in fact . to go back in time and try to think how things could have been is useless to me and if I think in these kind of terms I get rather negative about my life in general . Because as Hope said it was my adult life and I will forever deal with its impact. I cant take it back Im not even sure I would if I could because I do not know what life would be without having to deal with it as a part of my life. cause and effect has been almost thirty years here . I suppose one thing would be my constant inner need to find out what the bible says about something .. geez I do wonder sometimes how Normal people think when they have problems and do not think they should look for the answer in the bible. I forgot HOW good Lord aww see now I have to try to figure out how to do something I do not know how to do. I would like that ability back but it seems to late for me. Because the the need to do it is still bigger, than not doing it. I do wonder tho , just a dream like you said. habit I guess it isnt that easy to stop doing what we think we should is it?

NM does not have a law that forbids same sex marriage. nor does it recognize same sex civil marriages. They can get married and go through what the process of deciding for the state deciding if it is illegal or not. If the president amends the constitution then it is executive . not until .

maybe I am reading it wrong I read you were once able to along (I think you mean a long ) time ago . but can not now . you say your answer is to love without Judging. to the question of the 1 thing twi would take or given back from twi. I think that is the biggest thing Twi taught me is to be able to love without judging but obviously you do struggle with it . lol I do not thanks to what I learned from the people in twi. do not judge me if you chose not to , Im not in the least defensive we just disagree and you can still chose to love me without judgement twi isnt making you think any thoughts at all .

I can understand the friendship part, but if a friend wants to stop a relationship over a group thinking somone may be wrong for them I am not sure the relationship was all what I should want. My friendships have endured twi (some are still very much "in" and loving it) off shoots, divorces and much much more , some not all but I think people move away from one another at a natural course of growth (or not) for each person. Lookout how did twi take away your ability to love someone without judging? geez after all I went through with being marked and avoided I learned how judgement hurts so very deep and my experience with twi left with with a big huge capacity to stop and love someone before listening to what others may say about the situation. Twi gave me the ability to be true to what I really really think and feel about another with honesty. Watching everyone fight and agrue about doctrine and who said what all these years has made me truly think for myself and consider what I think would be the most loving before any other source. I never would have learned how connected the body of Christ is without twi, I never would have learned how each one of us can help or hurt another on the path of life so very deeply. I can not blame the bible standards on twi, as I do not think they actualy did use the bible standards and grace was a bigger sell at the time. certainly not morals judgements. I learned how people can judge one so severly in twi, for the wrong reasons and saw a very ugly outcome of it, it made me notice for the rest of my life loud and clear to not do it.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush said Wednesday he was "troubled" by same-sex weddings in San Francisco, California, and by legal decisions in Massachusetts that could clear the way for same-sex marriage. But he declined to say whether he is any closer to backing a constitutional ban on such vows. "I have watched carefully what's happening in San Francisco, where licenses were being issued, even though the law states otherwise," Bush said. "I have consistently stated that I'll support law to protect marriage between a man and a woman. Obviously these events are influencing my decision." "I am watching very carefully, but I am troubled by what I've seen," Bush said. He didn't answer directly when asked whether he is any closer to endorsing a constitutional ban on same-sex marriages, as conservative groups say the White House has assured them Bush will do. "I strongly believe marriage should be defined as between a man and a woman," Bush said during an Oval Office session with Tunisian President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali. "I am troubled by activist judges who are defining marriage." "People need to be involved in this decision," Bush said. "Marriage ought to be defined by the people not by the courts. And I'm watching it carefully." Gay and lesbian couples from Europe and more than 20 states have lined up outside the ornate San Francisco City Hall since city officials decided to begin marrying same-sex couples six days ago. City officials said 172 couples were married Tuesday, a pace that would bring the total number who have taken vows promising to be "spouses for life" to over 3,000 by Friday. The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court recently ruled that it is unconstitutional to bar gay couples from marriage. Under the decision, the nation's first legally sanctioned gay marriages are scheduled to begin in mid-May. Lawmakers are proposing a constitutional amendment that would define marriage as a union between one man and one woman, and the Legislature resumes its deliberations of amendments on March 11.

Where is your states position on this topic? MA as we know has a court ruling striking down ban on same sex marriages. ------------------------------------------------------ States with official state/distrrict registries for same sex couples are: Alaska (hello Johnny Lingo and why are so many homosexuals bothering you? ) Also California and the district of Columbia. ---------------------------------------------------- Civil Unions are legal in one state VT. -------------------------------------------------- States WITHOUT LAWS that ban same sex marriages OR, WY, NM, WH,NY, NH,RI, CT,NJ, MD. ---------------------------------------------------- ALL OTHER STATES have a LAW that BAN same sex marriage!!!! [This message was edited by mj412 on February 20, 2004 at 14:16.] [This message was edited by mj412 on February 20, 2004 at 14:27.]

(CNN) -- California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger announced that the marriage licenses San Francisco is issuing to same-sex couples are illegal, after the city sued the state over a law banning such marriages. "The marriage certificates submitted to the Department of Health Services by the city and county of San Francisco fail to meet legal standards," Schwarzenegger said in a statement on his Web site. San Francisco on Thursday filed a lawsuit against the state of California, challenging the state law that defines marriage as a union between a man and a woman only, the city attorney's office said. The suit came a week after newly elected Mayor Gavin Newsom ordered the county clerk to begin issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples. Nearly 3,000 couples have taken advantage of it, despite the filing of two lawsuits to stop the practice. San Francisco's city attorney Dennis Herrera said his city and county are "going on the offense" with the lawsuit. "Mayor Newsom took a bold step last week, and we fully agree with him that his position is justified," Herrera said the city's case will assert that the state law banning same-sex marriage goes against California's constitution because it violates the equal protection and due process clauses. Schwarzenegger's statement said California citizens generated, and passed, Proposition 22 -- the marriage law -- and it will be defended. "The attorney general has assured me that he will vigorously defend the constitutionality of the law in the case brought against the state by San Francisco," the governor's statement said. Herrera said he hopes to consolidate the cases against same-sex marriage pending against the city with the city's lawsuit against the state. A hearing on that matter is scheduled for Friday at 11 a.m. PT (2 p.m. ET). "I would anticipate that this case is going to have a long life," Herrera replied when asked about the national ramifications of the city's move. Separate suits One of the suits against the city was to resume in San Francisco County Superior Court at 2 p.m. PT (5 p.m. ET) Friday. Judge Ronald Quidachay had continued the case from Tuesday. That lawsuit was filed by the Campaign for California Families and the Alliance Defense Fund, which contend the city's issuing of same-sex marriage licenses violates current state law. They asked the judge to stop the practice immediately. A separate suit, filed by the Proposition 22 Legal Defense and Education Fund, was continued until March 29 to allow city attorneys time to prepare to show cause as to why Newsom's action is allowable. Across the street from the Superior Court is City Hall, where lines of people snaked out the front door and down the steps as gays and lesbians from inside and outside the state hurried to get their relationships validated in the eyes of the law. Newsom has said that marriage between same-sex couples is "inevitable" and that anything less is "fundamentally wrong." Almost two-thirds of Americans do not think same-sex marriages should be recognized as legally valid, according to a new CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll. But the 1,006 people polled on Monday and Tuesday were almost split over whether individual states or the federal government should determine laws regarding marriages between gays or lesbians. President Bush Wednesday repeated his belief that marriage should be restricted to heterosexual couples, adding that he was "troubled" by what was happening in San Francisco.(Full story) Supporters of same-sex marriage say denying gay and lesbian couples marriage licenses denies them basic rights. "We're talking about state inheritance, we're talking about state property issues, we're talking about children's issues, we're talking about power of attorney," Ralph Neas, president of the group People for the American Way, said. Critics of same-sex unions say those rights can be afforded through other means, and homosexual couples don't need a marriage certificate to validate them. Genevieve Wood, vice president of the Communications Family Research Council, said that redefining marriage might be a slippery slope. "There are people out there ... who want to engage in polygamy, they think that's a good family structure. There are others who think that group marriages are a family structure," Wood added. CNN correspondent David Mattingly contributed to this report

Dmiller I look at the organization and purpose of public schools . Who picks and choses? it is a public school . some prayer rituals are not what I think the schools should police, but does that make mine better? No. so I think prayer should be out of the agenda all together to avoid offending anyone. If any person wants to pray I believe they can and do . Prayer is often a private thing. like the christmas decorations having to be without religous ideals because Christ offends some beliefs etc. it is a very choice conscience world we live in and public schools have not the time or place to police all what the public may deem is fair. The story of the witch(honestly a self proclaimed witch Im not name calling) she raised such a fuss about the christmas songs being against her faith and sued , it cost a small district thousands of dollars to defend their choice of singing a song she felt was wrong. they no longer do any holiday concert . it is a pity really but public schools are open for those kind of things and that is why I think they can not and probably should not allow prayer. The resources in many public schools are at the limit and can not afford such law suits and problems allowing prayer would bring them. that is the main reason my child goes to a private school . Public schools must meet the needs of all the public and not offend some for another. [This message was edited by mj412 on February 20, 2004 at 13:49.]

I do not know if In a "right wing" but Im a christian and I do not believe prayer should be allowed in public schools . the definition of " prayer" can get quite outrageous and then who is right and wrong about what it may mean to them. I know the off shoot I was didnt agree with me, but I think public schools are public and should not involve in prayer. a private can decide what their choice and manner of prayer would include a public shool really can not .

Actualy this has happened to me. I do not not know about your"number one" title. I do not think they even look at it as a heirarchy but I have had leaders call me. or I go to get together. we talk I love them Im glad to hear from them . then we speak about some friends that live near me and near them and then the why do we not still all get otgether happens and well the communication ends. because I just do not have the energy to compromise my love for any person. I do not hate people in twi far from it they are my brothers and sisters in Christ they are part of the family of God they Love Jesus as Lord. I feel more in common with the bible verses than a neighbor that doesnt believe the bible is truth. i am not full of hate towards anyone I do need feel a need to fix them, or save them unless they want me to do something to help them I love them as much as i know they love me. It is difficult , because of the people that have been hurt including me, but we are honest and we do NOT point fingers and blame one another for what people do . I will always love them before I condem anyone esp since it was such a important part of my life for many years and I do not allow love to die.

poor little spiders. I wonder how they will ever survive with attitudes like that from such a young child even? maybe they will have to move to California, Vermont, or Massachusetts to make more spiders.