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So_Crates, I have not seen that, however I don't see the link you are referring to...

Apparently I have been vindicated on this thread, and my prediction also came true, activity on this thread died after having been moved from the front page of GSC

Hi Chockfull, Thank you for your welcome... I also read some of your threads before I signed up here, and considered that you also seemed to be of good-willed and well-reasoned as I felt about Penworks. I hope we can have intelligent conversations. I am curious to know if head "Cat Woman" you refer to is either of or both the one that I and Penworks are talking about, can you provide more de-Tails ? Funky ameoba patterns as a description of leopard skin spots tickled the funny bone in my mind :) I think you apologized for your mention of the burning "Bush" in a previous comment, but I was unable to reply because I was spanked by a moderator here and told to go sit in a corner with a dunce cap on for a day or two. I turned the dunce cap upside down and cut a hole in the tip and used it for a megaphone for my latest post, I hope you will read it even though it is long and wordy. I did not think you did anything wrong by mentioning Bush, my point of view was that by mentioning a well-known political figure in a post, it opened the door to politics. But you were not chastised for opening the door, but I was for walking through it. Funny how politics works By the way, in that same other post, you asked: What public figure ever supported VPW? I do remember hearing that he was invited to the inauguration of Ronald Reagan, but who know if that was true. I do have a vague memory of seeing VPW in a full formal suit with a high top hat like men might have worn to a presidential inaguration 100 years ago, but that memory is faded, don't remember if it was a pcture or video or what

Wow, I just noticed that this thread has gotten 200 views!

Hi Penworks, That is very interesting that you would say that, it would be very interesting to be able to verify that we are talking about the same Cat Woman (there are many of them here where I live, and I have even seen more than one publicly at Woman outfits), but I do not have a picture of the Cat Woman in question and my memory is too vague to sketch a reasonable facsimile of her. Of course if seeing her happened today, it might have been possible to surreptiously snap a quick picture of her with my phone and text it to you, but alas, phone cameras were not around back then. I received a picture of someone I was dating all the way from across the the other side of the world (Rome) a few years ago, my the wonders of technology. She was not a Cat Woman, she was more of a Dog Woman, and our dating ended abruptly when she began to bark and bite. I was invited to a live presentation of that "awful dance production" as you call it, if I recall correctly, it may have been the very first public presentation of it, and I even met some of the dancers. I do not remember whether the Cat Woman I saw at the cafeteria was the lead dancer in the dance production, I don't even remember thinking about that at the time. But that dance production never reached Broadway and has been out of production for a long time. But I believe the Broadway musical Cats did have a very long run. I believe there were Cat Women in that production also. I don't remember the dance production in excruciating detail since the memory of it has faded in my mind, although I do remember someone telling me that LCM had stated that that particular dance production idea was stolen from him (by spirits) and used as the foundation for parts of the movie "Stayin' Alive" with JT. And thank you for your welcome, I did read some of your posts here before signing up, and you seem to be one of the good-willed, well-reasoned people here, I hope that we can have good intellectual conversations here. I am familiar with some TWI history because over a period of time, I was invited to numerous events and activities and teachings where I saw many interesting things, including Cat Woman. But I never saw Bat Man or Robin. But coincidentally, I am actually watching Wonder Woman (the old TV series) on TV right now. Linda Carter had such natural beauty. I also fed a couple of feral cats (one female, black) that come around to my place frequently, but only because I feed them occasionally. I learn so much by observing their behavior, both in their interactions with me, and with each other. I have made a couple of good real cat friends in the past, by feeding them and winning their affection even though at first they were both very skittish (or kittish - lol), but they eventually ended up letting me pet them, and one would even come to my front door and knock on it with his head to let me know when he arrived for his meals. It amazed me that I could make friends with another, wild species. If only the cat women of this area were as friendly :) And thank you for you offer to help. I will take a look at your profile. Maybe we can compare notes and learn some history from each other. I enjoy learning. I enjoy watching cats. And I have met some Cat Women, but have never been scratched by one, though some have tried. :) P.S. ~ did you know that it is not a good idea to publish personal information like your full name on publicly available websites like this one - it's to protect your id - just a suggestion P.S.S. ~ how can you be sure that the Cat Woman I saw is the same one who starred in the dance production. Isn't it possible it was another Cat Woman with a similar body suit? Did the one you refer to have dark hair or light hair?

Yeah, sorry Billy This thread about you got labeled as a Hot Topic with 26 replies But someone started a movement to move it away from the hot zone, and now the conversation is dead But I'm sure you understand Billy

RIP Billy, enjoy the CD's of old songs... No, no, Billy, I did not say RIP CD's, that is against copyright law...

Oh great, now this Billy Graham thread (which I did not start), is now in the Open section along with "Looking for Old Songs on CD's" Good move That should kill the discussion Seems like old times again

Be that as it may If every single post in this thread that mentions something that wasn't 100% involved with TWI is moved, then other posts would have to be moved also Sounds a little legalistic to me, which is one of the things that TWI is accused of by numerous posters here, would those same posters or moderators want to be leaning in that direction (legalism) also, mimicking TWI ? Moving this post may not change any of the posts already made, but moving them makes a statement, just like when other religions whose priests are moved when they do naughty things to innocent little boys, they are making a statement, that they want to hide something Oops, another thing that was not involved 100% with TWI.....or was it?..I read a post here where someone alluded to exactly that Moving posts for mentioning other things not 100% related to TWI, although related to other points being made about TWI, or germane to the discussion in some tangental way, is quite a tight tube Do we have to suck peanut butter through a straw? Strain at gnats but swallow camels? I shouldn't even have to make this point But it is a valid point, but I don't make the decisions here And I hope that readers and posters here are not that easily confused by something so simple?

I appreciate you civil tone Rocky And I know that it is not easy sometimes to convey tone in writing, and I know that some people have a rougher way of talking, but I don't care to be doing all the heavy lifting in communication unless it is to save someone from harm One can learn to communicate in a more civil tone, if they choose not to, then I reply to them in the tone they set - and I won't let them blame that tone on me when it is obviously their standard - I have studied narcissism enought to spot it right away most of the time - and I have zero tolerance for it I personally do not think that moving the thread is the best thing to do Reminds me too much of the Mark & Avoid tactic I have read about here so much

I'm not going to counterpoint every single point you make to make me look bad or to defend your actions You came on very aggressive in your first comment to me, which was very clearly directed at me, you could have made the comment about no-politics after the first comment in this thread which mentioned politics by mentioning Bush - a politician - that opens the door to reply But I won't get into the finer details with you on every comment you post about my comments, since you came with a sledge hammer with your first comment to me, I know how you will most likely come at me in the future I am looking for intellectual discourse and hope to find it here, if your tone changes I will be happy to discuss issues of interest to me If you don't want to read, that's your business, makes no diffference to me, if you want to know where there is buried treasure and I am nice enough to tell you, if you want a map draw it yourself, I am not going to draw the map for you or go dig up the treasure and deliver it to you while you lounge on your nice comfy sofa watching TV. Maybe if you had been nice from the beginning, but when someone comes down hard on me out of the blue with a sledgehammer, they have just set the standard for the conflict. Don't try to blame the conflict on me, that it typical narcissistic behavior, I won't put up with it, go attack someone else and then blame the conflict on them As far as Billy, my comment was not about whether he would go into an elevator alone with with a woman, that is a very high standard, but you have no proof that he did or did not do that, you just believe it from something you read or heard from someone else, unless you were with him 24 hours a day? I doubt it. So you have no proof at all. But if he actually did that (not going into an elevator alone with a woman other than his wife), that is a very nice thing, I do agree with that. But neither you nor I can know for sure whether he did or not. But you completely missed the point of my comment, which was not whether he appeared to be a very nice person, that is the tip of the iceberg, the rest is underwater and not visible But as I mentioned earlier in another post, what a person truly is, is revealed in their beliefs, and there are many proofs of his beliefs, and they are way off the mark by even most lenient standards, he is not what most people believe he is. But I won't get into that discussion with you, I do not care for sledgehammer conversations, but I will vigorously defend myself against them When the U.S. gymnasts accused the official doctor of child sex crimes - no one believed them When the Hollywood actresses accused the producers of sexual harrassment and worse - no one believed them When some of 'The Way' followers accused the leadership of the things they did - no one believed them Thus the axiom: "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." I made a point with a reference - some will not believe it at first I did my homework and already got to the self-evident point as far as Billy is concerned Your mileage may vary

Hope that is the case, I'd like to stay and participate in discussions But if politics is not allowed then the comment chastising politics should have been made at the first mention of Bush who is s politician, and that is where politics was introduced into the discussion, and where the chastising should have been directed The chastisement about no politics should not have been made in direct response to my response, it is obvious that chastisement came after my comment due to someone didn't like their favorite Preacher on a Pedestal being rubbed the wrong way, the chastising comment itself eveals that very clearly And regarding "speculation on the subject" my comment gave the name of a research book on the subject as a documented reference, not speculation, I was not going to copy and paste copyrighted material here, if someone wants to read or do homework is a matter of personal choice, I have done mine, there is no speculation

I understand what you are saying And we all need a Savior (Jesus Christ) But I was referring not to tainted by words like when someone hits their thumb with a hammer and says some curse words, or calls someone a dummy behind their back I was referring to tainted by words (and this is an example only, please no attacks), like the false teachers and false prophets that pretend to be Christian in front of the cameras, but behind closed doors they worship their father the Devil (John 8:44) They could possibly help someone too, for example by changing a flat tire for someone, but not in the way of helping someone eternally by teaching them the truth about salvation through the real Jesus Christ, not the false one It is not in their nature to tell the truth, they are liars As Jesus said about them: "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

Hi RottieGrrl, I agree with your basic premise, but before he became a Christian, Paul was on fire in his day also, dragging Christians out of their homes to kill them. Being on fire by itself is not a virtue. And no need to taint Billy, his own words taint him.

Thank you so kindly for introducing yourself in such a friendly manner, I appreciate that since I am a newbie here only a couple of days. Of course, just like all the other Preachers on a Pedestal like 'The Way's head preacher, their PR (Public Relations dept or Preacher Reverencing dept, take your pick) will make sure that the you and the whole world only hears that they are free of corruption as anyone can get and someone who did their best to avoid situations where he might consider sinning. I am sure that since you heard that he was as free of corruption as you can get as a person and someone who did his best to avoid situations where he might consider sinning, then that must be the truth, there can be no question about what you believe, he is completely squeaky clean. You can believe whatever you want. Don't do your homework. I don't care if you do or not. I have done mine. Please make your specifics about how you know Billy is squeaky clean. If I have to do the homework, I won't bother and I'll at least suspect you're bluffing and protecting your favorite Preacher on a Pedestal. Did you ever spend time with him in his motorcoach? If you think 'The Way's' Preacher on a Pedestal had enough money to cover all their evil tracks, you can bet your bottom that Billy has many more millions to cover his. If you don't know that Power = Corruption in this world except in the case of the incorruptible man Jesus Christ, keep right on believing that. You're free to belive whatever you want. Don't know who you are, I don't want to have to do the homework to find out. But I'm sure if you're the head Preacher here, or owner of this site, or moderator, or whatever, that you may decide to Mark & Avoid me like I've read so many people on here were, or you may just delete my posts, or completely delete my profile, it's ok, life goes on. If that is your revenge, go right ahead, it'll be just like old times. And I've been thrown out of much better places anyway. Have at it. I've tangled with better. I don't see much difference between your attitude and the attitudes of the people who are criticized so much here for things they apparently did to innocent people years ago. It's ok though, because I read posts on this site for some time before deciding to post here also, knowing that it would not be long before the attacks came. Lovely. Oh and by the way, since you apparently don't know, Politics and Religion are the same thing, just two arms of the same body, and if you haven't figured that out by now, well, then you do need to do your homework. If I tell you that you have a flat tire, and you don't want to go look at it, that's your right, I'm not going to go take the tire off your car and take it to you so you can see that it is flat while you sit in your easy chair eating pizza watching TV. Oh, and if you are the decision-maker on this site, please try to find it within yourself to give me a little notice if you are going to kick me off the site so that I can say 'bye to the people who have been nice to me here. Otherswise if you just kick me off without any notice, then that will give me the right to tell others how this website is a cult, just like many people here have stated that 'The Way' is a cult because they got booted out with no notice either.

Bush? The Burning Bush? No...not Moses' burning bush... Take a look a The Washington Times Front-Page June 29, 1989 Headline article about The Burning Bush. Did Bushie's friend Billy know Bushie allowed call boys late-night access into the White House? Need more proof? There are videos of public meetings showing Bushie's tender physical contact with a caller... Dr. Carol Burns also has a well-researched and documented book "Billy Graham and His Friends: A Hidden Agenda?" that looks much deeper than just the goody-two-shoes facade of TV preachers' football stadium revivals... It's not just "The Way"...... it's The Way of Power and Corruption. Put Preachers on Pedestals in the Past

It pains me deeply to read so many stories here... So many have been hurt, in so many ways, by so many people and organizations...some in incalculably painful ways that have damaged their beings to their very core, for so long...and many times only because they were genuinely seeking truth and fellowship... It has happened since the beginning of the world, and will continue to happen till the end of the world, in religions, churches, businesses, clubs, corporations, governments, homes, schools, etc.: We must not let other people's actions drive us to hurt others: https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/mich-model-shoots-her-husband-030519815.html Thank God that he anointed his son Jesus Christ to set at liberty them that are bruised...if we emulate his ministry, we can help ease all the pain, ours and others'... The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised... Luke 4:18 I pray for all the poor, the brokenhearted, the captives, the blind, the bruised....here and everywhere...

Energizer Bunny arrested!....charged with battery!

One day this writer, while at one of the campuses at an event open to the public, in the cafeteria line with a couple of invited friends, a woman in a full-body skin-tight leopard-skin body suit (ala Cat Woman) came in by herself through the inside of the cafeteria and served herself in plain view of everyone there (100+). No one blinked an eye or said a word; but this writer made a mental note that her attire was oddly out of place for a Bible college. A couple of minutes later, advancing through the cafeteria line, and this writer would most likely never have seen her. Perhaps she was part of a troupe practicing her part as a devil in an upcoming theater production ala 'Athletes of the Spirit'? It was during the month of March, so a little early to be dressed for a Halloween costume party. Perhaps she was a guest whose set of social skills lacked a basic knowledge of how to dress appropriately for social events at a Bible college? Perhaps she was there being abundantly shared to, to complete an assignment as an escort or a courtesan? Or a student of the college participating in a private party for the ministry's two highest authorities who were known to be there in a room across the hall not far from the cafeteria? But the cat woman did not have a collar around her neck attached to a leash, no one accompanied her, she seemed to be there completely of her own free will, and could have easily walked out the door and left. This writer thought, we're not in Kansas anymore Toto... But in the movie, The Wizard of Oz did mention Emporia, didn't he...?

Oh my!