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1Cor 12:5, And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. If it's in the scriptures, it's scriptural. My methodology is to read it. If you understood that sentence, why the problem understanding 1 Cor 12:5? Both pretty straight forward language.

A little clarifications please. Give me one or two other dimensions we should consider.

Been to the garden of Eden lately? Or how about the new heavens and new earth, been there lately? Of course not! Why? Because they are different compartments. We are currently in the grace compartment. You are right about me needing different administrations to make sense out of the Bible. At least I can.

Regardless of when the Gospels were written, Jesus said a lot of things to the Apostles. Now, because the written Gospels came some time later, we didn't know what he told them, but they certainly would have known what he told them. So now, after the Gospels were written, we too can know a lot of what he told them. No assumptions needed...it's all written down for anybody who is interested.

The cleverest bunch I ever ran into!

Looks like we're done with the trinity. What's next guys?

or maybe

Is one (it does make sense) as valid as the other (it does not make sense)? I'm being serious, sincere, and I shall never troll here again. I promise. It was a one time thing. Just discussing the trinity with you now. You made a good point so I'm answering in all seriousness. I think we can both let our guards down and discuss doctrine which is my favourite subject.

I was replying to T-Bone on the trinity when I came across Bolshevik's post talking about the mystery in the trinity forum. I guess I went off topic to discuss that with him. I guess I should have just told him to stay on topic. Next time. I'm learning. I'll get back on topic... I think I see what you mean by saying there are some perspectives in which the trinity makes sense. True enough. How about perspectives where it does not make sense?

Maybe you are right. But maybe not. The phrase "the word" is repeated 3 times in John 1. All three times it is O logos in the Greek. That "O" is the word "the." It points out a particular thing. It is not at all like saying "a word." If it did say "a word" I think you might be correct. But "the word" is something different. All three references are to "the word." "The word" is always "the word." Not one "word" here and another "word" there. I think Christ certainly had a divine nature. Now that you and I are born again, so do we. Part of the new creation God created in us. Now I don't know about you, but I'm sure I'm not God. You're probably not God either. My divine nature doesn't make me God nor did Jesus' divine nature make him God. I didn't check out Phil 2 or Col 2, but I will.

Forget what the Way said about the mystery. What does the Bible say about the mystery? Rom 16:25, 1 Cor 2:7, Eph 1:9, Eph 3:3 & 4, Eph 3:9, Eph 6:19, Col 1:26 & 27, Col 2:2, Col 4:3. There is more, but that's a start. I googled "mystery hidden in god" and got almost 8 million hits. That'd keep someone busy for a while. God's word does explain the mystery. It's got nothing to do with twi making anything unacceptable. Actually, twi has nothing to do with the mystery. It was God's idea several thousand years before twi even came on the scene. I wouldn't s..t can the whole idea just because vp taught it. You can easily see that plenty of others taught it before vp. Bullinger comes to mind. I think he has a really good idea on the mystery. Check this out: Bullinger - The Mystery In fact, that one is so good I'm going to put it on JBI, which now, only I can access.

I used to have a dual boot with Linux and XP. I hardly ever booted into Windows so I took it off. Instead I installed "Wine" which is a Linux program that allows many, many windows programs to run under Linux. I only use a few programs from Windows, theWord, a scanner radio program, and some network tools. They all run seamlessly under Linux. You can't tell the difference between those and any other Linux program. You can click on a Windows .exe file and it runs just like it was on a Windows machine. It's pretty neat. As far as the Windows Office programs go, I use OpenOffice which I'm sure is on your Ubuntu distro. Never had any compatibility issues. I send out a lot of documents, spreadsheets, etc to people with Windows and they've never had a problem. The day I realized I didn't need Windows at all was a good day. I hate Windows! Enjoy your new machine...Rich

The word dispensation in Ephesians 11:10 is the Greek word oikonomia. In other places it is translated administration. Strong's Concordance: administration (of a household or estate). --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morish Bible Dictionary: Dispensation, oikonomia. This is literally 'administration of a house,' an 'economy,' and hence an ordered dealing with men by God in the varied administration of his ways at different times. In reviewing God's administrations with man, we may notice the state of innocence in Eden, though it hardly partook of the character of a dispensation. One law was given to Adam and Eve, and obedience was required, the penalty being announced if they failed. This was followed by the lengthy period of nearly 1600 years till the flood — a time of no ordered dealing of God with men, during which men corrupted their way, and the earth was filled with violence. Then the world was 'spoken to' by God in the person of Noah, who was 'a preacher of righteousness;' and their repentance was waited for in long-suffering mercy while the ark was preparing. 1 Peter 3:20; 2 Peter 2:5. They repented not and the old world was destroyed. In the post-diluvian world government of man by his fellow was established by God, while a knowledge of God, as a God who judged evil, was spread abroad by the descendants of Noah; traditions of the Flood being found all over the earth. This was an additional testimony for God. Then followed the division of the earth into various nations and tribes, according to their families and tongues. Among these ignorance of God prevailed in spite of the testimony of God's power and divinity, and the admonition of conscience spoken of in Rom. 1, 2. About 360 years after the deluge the Patriarchal Age was begun by the call of Abraham, a new and sovereign dealing of God; but this was confined to Abraham and his descendants. The Dispensation of the Law followed, strictly the first publicly ordered system of God's dealing with men, and administered by angels. The oracles of God were given to a nation, the only nation in all the earth that God had known in this way. Amos 3:2. It was the dispensation of 'Do this, and live and be blessed; disobey, and be cursed.' This dispensation had three phases: a. About 400 years under the Judges, when God would have been their king, but during which time every one did that which was right in his own eyes. b. 500 years as a kingdom under royalty. c. 600 years from the captivity to the coming of Christ. Connected with this was prophetic testimony: the law and the prophets were until John. Luke 16:16. During this 'Dispensation of Law' the Times of the Gentiles commenced in the political supremacy of Nebuchadnezzar, the head of gold and king of kings. Dan. 51:37, 38. They still run their course, and will continue until the Lord Jesus commences His reign. 2. The Dispensation of Grace and Truth commenced, after the preaching of John, by the advent of Christ. During this economy the gospel is preached to every creature under heaven, and the calling out of the Church takes place, extending as a parenthesis, from the day of Pentecost to the rapture of the saints. Acts 2:1-4; 1 Thess. 4:13-18. Paul had a special 'dispensation' committed to him by God, both as to the gospel and to fulfil the word of God by the doctrine of the church as the body of Christ. 1 Cor. 9:17; Eph. 3:2, 3; Col. 1:25, 26. 3. The Dispensation of the Reign of Christ over the earth during the millennium. It is also called 'the dispensation of the fulness of times.' Eph. 1:10; Rev. 20:1-6. See MILLENNIUM. Under these varied administrations the goodness and faithfulness of God shine out, and the failure of man is everywhere made manifest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lot's more info on the web. Just Google it. God bless.

Well, I was going to save this for DWBH because I don't want him to wear out his 'z' key, but I'll let you have the privilege (you may call it something else. Please, feel free. ) of receiving my final post in this forum. Besides, you asked me for an excuse and you deserve to hear one. When I first came here I was sincere. My first post was something as benign as saying I didn't care how I learned the word, I was just glad I learned it. Didn't call anybody anything. Well, the first few replies flamed me to the point that if you are right about me and I end up in a lake of fire, at least I'd be used to it. Despite what a lot of people thought, I got the message loud and clear. Nobody wanted to hear my BS. OK. Then I thought, "hmmm. I think I play with their heads for a while." So Grace, you hit the nail on the head. I put on my troll had and hit the road. I think it's true to say I caused something of a stir. As far as I know I won a grand total of 0 adherents to the flock I need because my $102,000 pension isn't enough to live on (somebody here was curious about that). Now here's why I was so mean. I quickly realized how quickly gsc can go anti-someone. No problem as far as it goes but it does pose a serious question? Would it not be just as easy for someone else to come here and win the hearts and minds of one and all. A gentle, kind, intellegent, caring man. All his words would ring as true than anything else you've ever heard. His knowledge of the Bible surpasses all the great theologians that ever lived. You could fall for him just like you did with VP. But it would still be a man. You haven't learned anything since the breakup. Your source of truth went from VP to GSC. I remember VP saying in an advanced class, "You kids just have head knowledge. You don't really believe it." As much as that may prick your sensibility, it's the absolute truth. You still put man's word above God's word. You seek out the doctrine you want not what God wants you to know. Grace, you have a mind. Put more of God's word into it. Not saying you're not doing that now, but you need to do more. And I'd leave this place in the dust. Wouldn't that be something if you actually took a troll's advice. So now, I shall take off my troll hat and head for the basement. You guys can get back on subject. Frankly, I'm surprised they've let me stray off for so long. Must be forgiving folks! Thanks.

Yes Jesus knew only to well people's agenda, but here's what your missing: 1Sam 16:7, But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart. Then there's: 1Cor 4:3, But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.

True. It's not always a good thing to be in the minority. But in my case and in Jesus' case it is a very good thing.

Didn't you say you were an old guy somewhere? Never know from your responses. Very childish.

1Cor 12:7, But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. If you want the profit, you need the hs. If you don't care about the profit, hs is not necessary.

But you'll never know for sure.

Disagree with "some" of my points? I can't say, "hello" with without getting accused of being possessed by vp a spirit. LMAO

Haven't been to a doctor for ages and ages. God healed me from the lighting strike.

Well, holy spirit is not actually needed. It depends on what an individual wants out of life.

Well, given that I was with Children of God for one whole evening and never went back (I think I conveyed that in the post), I didn't get very much of their doctrine. And what little I did get is pretty much gone with the wind. I don't remember a thing really. More than 40 years ago. I honestly never knew much about them. Just know that their prayer is what caused me to believe unto righteousness.

It does. I wasn't trying, just happened I guess. Good catch!

Then ignore it.