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I did read it and they are similar. So are several high school history books. Doesn't change history though, does it?

I am sorry you suffered because of VP. It is certainly not God's will for you to suffer like that. I was actually one of the first people to leave the Way. I guess that makes me a non-wafer. Whatever. The point is, I left the Way, not God or his word. God is still God and he is certainly bigger than you, me, VP, or the Way. There is no need for you to somehow undo the works you did. They are in the past. Can't do a thing about them now. I would just suggest you get the hell out of GSC. It is only feeding your anger and hurt. Believe that God can help you turn things around so you can live a blessed life. Remember, Matt 6:19-20, 19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: 20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: VP, the Way, GSC, they are all things of the earth.

You go on castigating VP. I'm going to read the word for a while. Just glad I'm me and not you!

Where did I say works of the flesh are not important? Maybe you misunderstood something I said. Of course we should walk worthy of the vocation to which we are called. But we often fail, some more than others. Cruise GSC to learn the word? I don't think so. I doubt greatly I'll learn as much of the word here than I did from VP. But that's just me. You are probably different. By the way, I've written a few papers that contradict VP so I don't follow him blindly. I go Berean and see if the things he said are true or not. I've found the vast majority to be true. But VP was certainly not perfect. He was a man subject to the same mistakes we all make. That's why we have a loving God. That is to whom we look, not any man. Probably all men will eventually disappoint.

Which version of Romans 2:1? Take your pick.

You are right about that. We don't all do the same things. My rotten flesh does different things than your rotten flesh. Still rotten is rotten and one's no better than the other. Keep your eyes on God and his word. Nothing rotten about it! Rom 2:1, Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. If that doesn't mean you condemn yourself when you condemn VP, what does it mean?

It's not you and I who disagree. You disagree with God (Romans 2:1). But I don't know if people here still believe in the word, so maybe that doesn't mean much. No more flying for me. Retired a few years ago. Just spend most of my time in the word. I still love it.

For the record: I was one of the first to leave the Way, within a couple of weeks of the Passing of the Patriarch paper I left staff. I was a captain on Ambassador One. I've not returned to the Way since. Still, had better vibes there than here at GSC. I've never experienced so much acrimony and bitterness. At least VP taught me to keep my eyes on the word and not on people. Whatever you condemn VP for, you are condemning yourselves, unless Romans 2:1 is wrong. I don't know if anybody at GSC knows me personally. I don't think so, but I've never been put down as much as here. Not that I care one bit. My sufficiency is of God, not VP and certainly not of GSC. That is good advice for anybody here.

There were 3 other, Frank Cardullo, John Curtis, and myself.

The truth is in God's word, not VP. No point in dwelling on him. According to Romans, we all do the same things, so why worry about people's flesh. That means you, me, and everybody else here are as guilty as VP. Oh, gee, that's why God sent his son to die for us! Grace is good. If God were like GSC, we'd all be in trouble. That's for sure! All nine manifestations in 1 Cor 12. Do you know what I mean, or is this something new you might like to know about?

I was captain on Ambassador One. As far as spinning my wheels, Isa 55:11, So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. I just speak it. Whoever wants to believe will. That's not up to me.

Has anyone learned about holy spirit from Stiles or Bullinger? VP was the one who taught it to me. I care more about the baby than how I got it. If VP had photocopied the books and wrote his name over the author's name, it's still the truth, and I operate all nine all the time. Will it somehow be "invalid" because VP copied it? And let's face it folks, VP went beyond either of these two men of God. They paved the way for VP, built the bridge, and VP paved the way for us.