Grace Valerie Claire

Skyrider, honey you just asked the Million dollar question. Why didn't I and other believers, know any of this?? I know you are talking about what happened in 1998, and I was long gone. But I know a lot of S--t happened in the dark, and was never made public, until it was told here at the GSC.

Skyrider, pardon me, but if TWI had sent me a letter like that, I would of told them to go f-themselves.

Yes, the GSC is an Oasis for many of us. For me, it is a place where I can learn from others, and process my time in TWI.

Potato, I think many of us feel that way. I know I do.

Skyrider, it sounds to me that God was getting you ready to leave TWI. I left in 1988, so to me this information is interesting.

Why didn't they pray for him?? And people wondered why I never went Corps.

Sheet!

Wow, Waysider you are right!! Good insight!!

I too enjoy reading your posts. So many people suffered so much during their time in TWI; I had no idea of what some went through to do what they thought was the will of God. So much was kept hidden from the rank-and-file believers. If I had known all the garbage that went on in Way World, I would have left much sooner than I did.

My mother died 15 years ago this month. I know that my mother loved me dearly, and she trusted me. If I wanted to spend my life in TWI, that was fine with her. Finally, I got tired of all the Bulls--t, and left. My mother welcomed me back with open arms. I had to break free from TWI but I did it when I was ready too. How I miss my mother; TWI I have never missed.

Skyrider, thanks for all the information on TWI, and VPW! I hope he rots in hell.

Thank God for the GSC!!

The Advanced Class Specials I remember were definitely preparations for filming the live DTA class. Why am I thinking that one of those was not in Indianapolis but in Dallas for GWIB that year? At any rate one of the live audience films was used for a class until the final DTA class production. As with every new class coming out, Corps is required to take first with mandatory participation and "old wineskin" purges for any not 100% gung ho. The DTA class was filmed with new production cameras at HQ in the auditorium in 1992. There was a live audience for this, but they were all silent. It was too hard for Loytoy to teach to a camera with no audience at that point. He overcame the need for a live audience filming the WAP class - there was no audience for that. 1992/93: Martindale taught live adv class at rome city.....mandatory requirement for all active corps and adv class grads to attend. This was a purge. Martindale was stepping forward to purge the old advanced class grads (wierwille allegiance) from the ranks. New syllabus, new nametag. New, improved Twi II. Rise and Expansion book was released in '93 and martindale was gaining confidence, once again. By the fall of 1993 (or Feb/Mar 1994).....all limb coordinators were to teach an R&E weekend (fri/sat/sun) seminar in their respective limbs. 1994/95: A series of purges, like waves slapping the rocky shores of an inlet bay........1) new adv class purge, 2) debt purge, 3) homo purge, 4) word over world purge, 5) full-time corps purge, 6) into the promised land purge, 7) wap class purge, 8) etc. Before the full-blown "1995 roa homo infiltration proclamation".....several corps and staff were caught "in the act" in homosexual relations: girl/girl and guy/guy. On corps nights, martindale called out these corps/staff and trashed their names across the airwaves.....giving them the bum's rush. The 1995 roa was first full-throated, open-exposure of this "whole ministry homo infiltration problem." And, as I've stated earlier....it gave martindale cover to cancel all future rock of ages......when corps went full-time after 1995 roa. May 1994 "Get Out of Debt" Letter in Corps Document Files July 1994 "War on Homosexuals" Letter from martindale July 1994 "Dumping of Spouse Corps" Letter from martindale Link -- Document Files All old twi-music tapes and teaching tapes from defector leaders are anathema. Need to be suspicious of anyone in twi who listens to this stuff and/or harbors attitudes for "old wineskins." Start confronting. If need be, bring 2-3 witnesses. If still unsuccessful, bring them to group confrontation. Purge the old-wineskin nostalgia. 1995: From September-December, these four months seemed like one year. The paper blizzard of faxes, mandates, updates, etc. was cranking up. The trustees and trunk office were totally ill-prepared for the onslaught. When martindale instigated the all-corps full-time policy coupled with wierwille's (illegal) need-basis staff-policy....the paper blizzard had major headwinds. The job description of field corps was not yet written. The trunk personnel were scrambling, caught between martindale pontificating and real-life corps situations. EVERY CORPS ACTION had to examined under the microscope of being a productive/unproductive, necessary/unnecessary, etc......with money, money, money at the basis of ever scrutinizing decision. Bottom line: How much did martindale trust corps leadership to wisely steward twi's funds? This was the birthplace of "Vision and Direction - the Oxymoron". On my list of thread topics to start :) The Way has never trusted Corps leadership with funds. The fund limit approval levels for Petty Cash expenditures were $100 at the Limb level, $300 at the Region level, $500 at the Trunk level, then needs BOT approval. Can't even rent a hall for a meeting without the dummies involved. Unless it's the library or fire station - free. Another way to control expenses - increase the red tape necessary to approve them. The full-time corps revelation....er, experiment [August 1995--October 1998] was a pivotal episode of martindale's tenure. A whole chapter could be written on its implementation, adaptation, regulation, subordination and institutionalization. The pillar that wierwille constructed, the needs-basis policy.....had a MAJOR CRACK going down thru the center of it. On the field, what constitutes a need? Every time a corps person decided to drive his/her car for witnessing.....that was an expense. Extra air conditioning at limb/branch home for meetings/classes.....higher expense. Your teenage kid needs braces......that's a need, right? The list is endless. What all this full-time corps policy exposed was........twi hierarchy was/is a non-factor unless they SUCK OFF THE ABS FOR EVERYTHING. A small minority at headquarters governs,....er, manipulates the followers to separate them year-after-year from their hard-earned money. The spiritual mandates are nothing but a ruse. 1996: Martindale records The Way of Abundance and Power class (WAP).....the foundational class. Red syllabus. Later, a systematic running of these new classes for every active follower. If one didn't take this new class, he was not considered to be involved with twi.....pfal was old wineskin. With every new class, the pattern was: Corps takes it first - they are all full-time anyway so they are tasked with martindale mandates. Limb coordinators run the classes. then they run it for grads. Then they run it for new students. With each running of the class offers the opportunity for more "old wineskin" purging at every level. 1997: Martindale records The Way of Abundance and Power intermediate class. Same pattern....everyone in twi must take it to update status and involvement. Systematically run throughout the usa. 1997 "Gift Policy for Corps" Letter from hq March 1997 "Dangers of Bribery" Letter from martindale September 1997 "Vision and Direction" Policy 1998: Martindale records The Way of Abundance and Power advanced class. The series is complete. Big fanfare and celebration for martindale teaching this series and completing the work. This wap-series is the new standard in twi. Each limb had to structure 4 separate weekends to run this adv class on the field. Major work and involvement......trunk/region/limb. Dress code. Break out groups to absorb info. Class picture. Thank you card sent to martindale. Then, in June at headquarters.......the sexcapade that involved in-residence corps and martindale ensued at the advanced class. Sexual favors at 1998 Adv Class Skyrider, thanks for the information. No wonder why so many left TWI!

Thanks OS!! No, seriously I remember WP quite fondly. So much talent, and hard work went into their productions! They were awesome!

I think he was an a--hole for trying to tell them how to play their music. I think he wanted to control WP; I think he should of left them alone to do what they knew best, which was to play music.

I remember JN; they were great!! A of the S had Craig in it; he was not a trained dancer, and he was terrible in it. I think he dragged down the entire production. I saw a production of it once, and I slept through most of it.

It really did deserve to be ridiculed. It was terrible! But years ago, WP had some really good singers and dancers. They often performed at The Rock, and other Ministry events. They were talented, and performed like the professionals they were. And then Craig did his A of the S video in 1985(?), and I think that is when WP started to go downhill. I saw his performance during the AC in 1985. The whole play sucked!!

OMG!! WP has really gone downhill!! This is the best they can do??!! WP used to be so good; they had so much talent!! Pitiful!!

OS, I understand what you are saying, but I think the opposite might have been true. Tim was an adult, he was responsible for his decisions. If he had not been Donna's son, I bet his azz would of been fired also. Thanks for the information!!!

I remember them!! They used to preform at The Rock years ago. They were wonderful to listen too! I wonder what happened to them.

I remember WP back in the 70's, and 80's performing at a lot of TWI productions. They were great!! It was obvious that a lot of talent, and work went into their performances. How sad to hear that they suck now days.

Why was Tim allowed to stay if the others got fired? I know he is Donna's son, but if the others got fired, he should of been fired also.

He sounds boring to me, but perhaps this is what TWI wants now days. God forbid if TWI had someone who was smart, and dynamic.

Why would anyone want to be in TWI anyway? I left almost 30 years, and life is so much better outside of Way World. I am surprised that with all the information about TWI on the Internet, people choose to stay. Why???

That is so wonderful to hear!! Ralph was/is a great guy!! I loved hearing him teach. I wish him the best of everything!