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DWBH, wow!! I didn't know this; I had no idea that you, and your family had to seek police protection. How horrible! But, I thank you for describing to us, what when on in the inner circle of TWI; wow!! It was far worse, than I thought!

Tonto, an ugly, and cheap leisure suit to boot!

Penworks, you are so right; it was a horrible time in TWI!! Many of us decided after VPW died in 1985, that TWI was a huge waste of our personal resources, and left.

WW, yes, I think you are right. I knew there was some paper on Adultery, which was supposed to be a big deal. So the 37 page letter, was something seperate; thanks WW! They were two different things; finally I understand this.

Twinky, I have never heard of it either.

Raf, so do I!! I am a Breast Cancer Survivor, and I wouldn't wish Cancer on anyone, saint or dinner!!

SOC, I don't know if this helps or not, but in my view, a lot of S--t was starting to hit the fan, in 1985-1986. VPW died in 1985, and CG's infamous PoP paper came out in 1986. Personally, I started seeing Red Flags in TWI, and left in 1988. Others may have different views on what was happening in TWI in that ministry year.

So, I don't know if this helps or not, but 1985-86, was an interesting year in TWI, because that was VPW died, and CG came out with his POOP Paper. Please folks, no puns! Does that help?

DWBH, so that was the "infamous" letter that got people kicked-out??!! Nuts, I thought the letter had something to do with Way Research! Thanks for clearing that up, at least for me.

Twinky, I think you hit the nail on the head; patience, kindness, and a soft answer are vital in working with Godly people. I know here at the GSC, I have posted things which were not always right, and some people have gently pointed out where I was wrong, which I really appreciate. I believe somewhere in the Bible, it says a soft answer turneth away wrath, or something to that effect. I try to remember that when I am responding to posts. But, sometimes I forget. I know people here at the GSC are usually very good at reminding me when I offend someone, but they are just as quick to forgive. Thank God for small mercies.

29, thanks for the information.

Chock, great post!! Now, I understand TWI's position on debt; thanks for the information. Personally, I think it's no one's business, but mine, if I have debts or not. That is very private information, that I do not share with anyone. I guess it's a good thing that I am no longer involved with TWI; they might have cast me out, for not sharing this information. Too bad!!

George, using your brain was a big problem in TWI; God forbid you challenge any TWI teaching. I wish I had been cast out; I wasted 10 years of my life in TWI, before using my brain, and leaving.

DWBH, thanks for the information. I didn't know that VPW used to teach it live with than damn dog video. I wish I had known this decades ago; I would have left TWI much, much sooner!!

Twinky, great post. I am looking forward to 2018, because it is one year closer to retirement. I plan on collecting SS in 2019. Also, I think the WH will have new occupants. But man plans, and God laughs.

T-Bone, wow!! Thanks for the link. I don't think I am interested in being in another cult; one was enough to last me a lifetime. If the world should come to an end, I probably will die, and then meet God. I am not going to worry about it; que sera, sera.

T-Bone, great post. I know I said this before, but that porno video with the woman, and dog would freak me out. I know it happened decades ago, but it still makes me gag. You are so right T-Bone, in saying that VPW was unqualified in so many ways to teach; what a fraud. I took CFS twice; both times I thought it was a waste of time, and money.

DWBH, seriously, I feel for the people in PR. The power was out here in DC for four days; I thought I was going to lose my mind!! I can't imagine being without power for months, and months.

John, you have a right to express your views, but in my view, AOS was beyond boring. Five minutes after it started, I fell asleep, and didn't wake up until it ended. Perhaps other people found it inspiring; I thought the dancing was horrible.

Sky, bingo!! It really was a religious cult; if I had nothing else to be thankful for, I would be thankful for leaving TWI.

I think he might be in RI

DWBH is RD

WW, good post!! I just want to add my opinion; I hate shouting. My mother used to scream, and yell a lot when I was growing up; I believe she had mental problems. I think VPW, and LCM also had mental problems; I think they felt a sense of justification with their screaming, and yelling. Nothing turns me away more than being screamed at; if you want my attention, speak to me in a normal tone of voice. Otherwise, please don't speak to me at all.

Exci, it hurts me deeply also, that so many people were exploited by TWI. I can't remember if it was you, or another woman who described in detail, how she was raped by one of the leaders of TWI; it made me cry! But after I stopped crying, I started to really understand how sick, and perverted some of the top leaders in TWI were; like VPW. I had no idea of how many women in TWI had been sexually assaulted; at the time many of these women were afraid to press charges. Many of these women were left to deal with their anger, pain, and hurt, on their own. I pray that all of these women find professional help, and somehow move forward with their lives.

T-Bone, you are so cute!!