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Yes at the time I needed a car,not some bs.Remember we were the ministry! Why do you think twis roll call is so small?Everyone left! The way is and always will be cheapskates.

Look at acts,as every one had need,all things common. My point was and is the abundance twi had,they could have given of thier abundance ie extra cars. On a side light,years later,when I had a "real job" I did let someone use a car of mine, she paid the insurance,When she blew it up,she called,please pick up your car,it is at such and such. After pop,the lcs got brand new cars,say bye bye.... I know once given,it was "thier" money.Maybe thats why they lost thier a@@ on Rome city. Giving and recieving,guess they got coming to them. Yet it was "ok" to give to the lc region whatever,One time after being "out of twi,It was around christmas, waiting in line at mejer,a family was in front of me,they were short 20 bucks on thier bill,the husband starting to get upset,I said here merry christmas. Point cheapskate twi helped none but themselves.

The outreach of the word?Were we not part of that outreach?Yeah maybe they fixed a house,but what about when someone needed somthing?Twi charged the hell out of us,for everything,then told us what a deal we got, Churches give back,If someones house burnt down,they help,clothes ect.What happens when your car blows up? I was told to believe,whilst twi had a fleet they owned yes owned not leased,sitting on thier property that sat. With the tithe I gave them. Who the hell were the ministry?The bot said they only had 3 members,were we not the "ministry"?

Yeah,That is a good question,Did the bot tithe?Practice what they preach,preached?

My fatherinlaw once said to me,"You give too much dam@ money to the way'That was back in the mid 80"s Shoulda listened to him! This tithing only "worked" if you were a few special people,Limb or above. New car,nice clothes,richey neighborhood,seemingly endless suppy of cash ola,(though when I was a Woe, wow to most.the lc of ole miss borrowed some money from me,til the end of the month) Like Mr.Ham said,to this effectIf you gotta bribe god,he is pretty small. Twi,The extra special cheap skate cult!Only once in my 20 some year involvement did they spend any money, Was at Cicago 1982,Wierwille put us up for an extra night at the hotel,because of a major snowstorm.Yes Virginia,This one was real!

Howard Allen,Then the financial head,said due to the times,as we had to pay taxes,it was "okay" to do net income instead of gross."Bad ole government"tweety bird interpetation.

Twi,Liked to practice isolation from the "world"meaning everything not under thier total control.How they operated it,was use the scriptures to give it the"final authority"Cant argue with the"word. example a place in the old testament said "the foot returning to its own lusts"Outside the "household" you would have no protection,and be"prey" to the "adversary"(devil). Speaking in tounges,you spoke "directly" to god,thge wonderful works of god,Not everyone could speak in tounges,herafter s.i.t.wayspeak as we call it here,You had to be instructed on how to receive.Hence the classes. sit,I think was the main "kicker"on thier control,one,it was to yourself,though collectively as a group we all did it. The only time it was allowed outloud, was in a "believers meeting" out loud sit with interpation,a message from or for god directly to the people present,only for them,though it was always generic,bland the same,supposedly,some had the ability to "set you on fire",though,In all my years I never heard it. Spacing out,takes many faces,After all the crap I said,Being directly involved with as many people as I can be has been "my way out".Frienships with the"outside" were dicouraged,I know of one individual,who once told me, he literaly had no friends outsie twi.

Happy Birthday!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) :) :)

Thanks Sudo.I was trying real hard to be sarcastic about the fox,guess it did not come across that way. Yes,they are lame now,afore I left in late 2000,that was thier goal, be lame lay low,we are just your average church in ohio.They were keep on keeping on till the heat was off of them. My attempt to display her,A leader is supposed to lead right?Out front setting the example. obviously she is not,Why the hell do I care?I really do not other that whoever reads this that is either still in, or about to leave,may see,She is not,a profitess,the woman of god,leader of gods people,She is what she is the current leader of a cult who uses the bible for her,and others selfish means. Oh well,Guess I will read a book,get a hobby,Oh greasespot is my hobby!

Well,It is getting near October,And in wayspeak,that can only mean one thing the anniversary of the way international.The theme has been mentioned on another thread,Now to get to the topic at hand, rosilie f rivenbar%,President,Of THE WAY INTERNATIONAL,Profitess,Leader,Director of the word since it has not been known since the first century.Or at least since wierwille stole it from bg lenoro$. She is unique to the way,as she does not outwardly lead,She must think she is deborah from the book of judges.behind the scenes she weaves her plans,Revelation flowing as the great principle unfolds. The lord almighty has revealed to her the coming year,The followers will serve with gladness,The present truth is revealed.The lord has shown her,We must lie low,we are just a simple bible group,In centeral ohio,we are no threat,no harm,we simply fellowship after the likes of the wierwille brothers before us. See how silly this all is?Thank God She has no more power over me,I can see the cult for what it is,gain is godliness,What a retirement plan she has,built on the back of all the duped followers. Yeah,I could find better things to do... I need to burn this off,Get it out of my system,Perhaps it can help someone,It is helping me.

Mark,You do seem to have an agenda,I asked I know,That is what greasespot is about,discussing stuff you never could around twi.For that I am grateful.Peace

i talked with a friend(non twi,ever),He is a baptist,Suprise,suprise,we both are still in dispensation thinking,he said the bible is adressed to different groups.Salvation is not a progressive event. Point is we all think different,have different interpations of the bible,Whatever,I enjoy our discussions.Peace.

My prayers for all you texans,God bless ya,we love ya all!

You guys probably could talk rings around me,Grace,twi,should we continue in sin that grace may abound? that was thier motto,If that is cheap grace.For the rest of us,we did our utmost to keep the scriptures, I certainly did not live the lifestyle of twi top leadership,had I known,I would have left. I am glad for your ideas,dont think i agree with them,Have read enough of bullinger,to agree with him. Alot of people read this information,let them decide,to me religion is like a poptart,if you do not like one flavor,go try another. I have been jaundiced by twi,that I will never be a part of a church or organization.Iwill be the first to tell you to fly a kite,if you do not like it.At least I know where you are coming from,I reserve my comments on whether I think you are right.God will judge all of us,still working on where jesus fits in,I know he is my brother,you know,heirs of god,joint hiers with jesus.Peace all Still think I got eternal life,That is the only thing that has kept me going all these years,Remember, Jesus in the desert?Devil tried to get him to consider his birthright,calling,He does it to us every single day.

The worst?Why that would be mr.chris gramlic3.A herr hitler if there ever was one a mindless drooling follower of the forehead if there was one.His idea of help in the household was not to ask for help.when you had a severe need. As a poster said,It got worst after the "fog"All the"good"leaders left,so up came the scum of the universe.

I would say,I always had my music to go to,someway to escape "wayworld for a while,That and work,having friends.

Thats just it,They(v2p2s group cff) Think ole vic was as pure as the driven snow. So the "new"is the same as the old a unstable foundation,based on a system of myth, fantasy, and as George Arar says"wayworld. As Ham says he warned him and was rebuffed. In v2p2s mind,now reality,we are less than vomit,Geez louise,Just little ole me has or was in the vaunted ministry longer than v2p2 has been alive! Oh!we know nothing,Twi never did or will utilize the resourses in the people they had,Do you think The"sowers" will? Have a cup of java on me v2p2 ya might learn a thing or two here.

On the way topic,this subject came up.incoruptble seed,seems some are saying you can lose your salvation.I personaly do not believe this,what are others take on this? I know twi used this as a magical shield to do any dam2 thing they wanted to do.

They are going to do it right this time.So they say. Now about grandpa vic,if you were his blood relation, would you have a skeptic outlook?Would you believe all the abuses he did?How would you find out? would you come to what they call this place,the vomitorium? Where all the disgruntles hang out?Or would you go to daddy,and uncle doug,and uncle kevin? They all probably say go for it,So he does......

My icon and first name is as close as ya get.

Thing that bothers me about Vince,Is the you can lose salvation bit. You can say this is wayis,but Rom10:9,10 Thou shalt be saved. saved,sozo,Incoruptable seed.Yeah play the faith game as ya will. Who determines if you lose the faith?The preacher? I think we look to men to dam2 much for our faith. Too many who call themseves christians want to live under the law, and judge others.Bet I would not be welcome in that church. .

Man,Next thing you will teach is that the devil can be saved.Oh well believe anything you want it is a free country.

I am glad you took the time to help her out. There is still kindness in the world. :)

I will only say Mike,God will make a way where there is no way. If you are right,Then the Lord forgives,But what happens if it is only your point of view? Greasespot is a multiple point of views,If you want it so black and white,go join young vics new ministry,He claims the same thing you seem to say,Oh!you might have to follow a man. Christ is the head of the body,not any one man,who claimed he had new light,when it has been seen here it really was someone elses work.

Outside the scriptures,yes I said scriptures,twi was a illusion,carefuly crafted illusion,So why not expose it for what it was,and still is,If it seems to be negative,so be it. positive and negative,just another sales gimmick twi used. Carry on Mike,And may you always take the high road.