Rocky

As if you have earned the right for anyone to believe your specious arguments (statements of position)? Not hardly. You haven't effectively sold your idea. Again, HOW and WHY does that hour long video make a case that anyone hasn't already heard? We have already acknowledged the value of Vitamin D. Make your argument (cogently state your position such that anyone would want to buy it). And if you're inclined to try to tell us you're not making any argument... your response to my question was evidence that your intent IS to make an argument.

The video is more than an hour long. The guy advocates Vitamin D supplements. I take Vitamin D and have for years. How does this video relate to the covid vax? IOW, why would I want to spend an hour of my life to view the video, let alone "pick it apart?"

If you think it bothers me, then I have failed to be clear. I'm just hopeful one day you'll make sense when stating your positions.

You seem to be projecting. Argument is a form of making a statement. You've been doing it (arguing, albeit, not very successfully) all along. All of us who take a position are stating an argument. That I try to encourage you to make cogent arguments means that I hope you can form your statements in a way that inspires your readers to see things the way you do. But if you don't make sense, it's increasingly unlikely anyone will get your point, other than that you are, as you said in a comment today, about what pi$$es you off. You would have to reach into the imaginations of your readers and find something they can relate to. You being angry about something you have no possibility of influencing at all doesn't get the job done. And if you think simply stating your position would make anyone care what you think... well... thank you for arguing. In Thank You for Arguing, Jay Heinrichs endeavors to show why the lost art of rhetoric—the study of argument and persuasion—can help people understand the world, help them succeed, and generally improve their lives. In Part One, “Offense,” Heinrichs lays out the basics of arguing. Every argument has three basic steps: first, stimulating the audience’s emotions, second, changing the audience’s opinion, and third, getting the audience to do or choose something.

Yeah, that's quite an argument there Bolshevik!

what do you have against making cogent arguments? What got the attention of editorial page editors when I started getting published (op-eds and letters to editors, nearly 30 years ago) was making arguments that were able to get people to look at issues/situations differently than they had previously. You're not succeeding with your endeavors if that's your intent.

It seems fair to surmise the "powers that be" in both the R and R group and in TWI cling to the faulty premises of the good old days of Wierwille's faulty research. I enjoyed reading your nostalgia piece.

I wish you'd at least TRY to make cogent arguments when you (allegedly try to) criticize my comments.

Oh?

What right do you have to tell other posters what to do?

Yes, he has a right to his position. But he (as are the rest of us) is also NOT immune from criticism. Others have every right to 1) try to figure out what he's ultimately getting at, and 2) freely question (for clarification) and criticize his posts/comments.

FWIW, I have no problem with you refusing to protect your neighbors. Consider yourself justified.

Again, since your bottom line is that you refuse to get vaxxed, why do you need to justify that position to anyone other than yourself?

Oh, okay. Whatever you say.

Are you sure it wasn't analysis?

Really? Somebody has been trying to coerce you into becoming Dr Frankenstein's lab subject? That's just silly. IF your bottom line is that you don't want the vax, then just say so. You don't have to confabulate ridiculous arguments if that's all you want to accomplish.

I'm not surprised. I don't think it's clear to him. The bottom line to his position seems to be that he's fighting against some malicious "entity" (his word, not mine) that, as he said, is making it up as the damn well go along. Btw, the self-driving automobile subject ignores the human drive for control. I don't believe that's going to happen in our lifetime.

Science is ALL about figuring things out. Science and scientific discovery is not static. When new information is discovered, the best guidance changes. That's basic. "Science is the pursuit and application of knowledge and understanding of the natural and social world following a systematic methodology based on evidence." That's exactly the opposite of "making it up as they damn well go along." And as far as your arguments on covid19 and vaccination goes, your use of that expression completely undermines EVERY bit of what you have claimed to be true.

That's a whole different subject, not simply an example to illustrate something for this thread. It might seem logical to you but for multiple reasons it is not rational.

You might think so, but you haven't made a cogent (or sound or rational or logical) argument to that effect. You have led me to question what, ultimately, your objective might be for your bickering on this thread. As to your dismissive retort "Einstein" when I pointed out the awkwardness of your cherry picking, I would suggest that Professor Einstein's theories and rumination were most definitely not putting ANYbody in danger of death by pandemic. Therefore, your retort is even more awkward and out of place than otherwise apparent. Cheers dude.

Do you grasp the concept of "cherry picking?" YOUR professional's opinion is diametrically opposed to the overwhelming majority of experts in the specific field in question...

Indeed. That's what I was getting at. The decision makers (after having deposed Rosa-lie) trying to figure out what MIGHT work to rejuvenate the dying sect.

You forgot the most important one: "Morbid longing to return to one's home or native country; homesickness, especially in its severe forms, producing derangement of mental and physical functions." Those were the days, my friend, we wished they'd never end. We'd sing and dance forever and a day... IF in fact the rumored desire of the new trustees has/had ANY factual basis (and it's definitely plausible), it's ALL about nostalgia, wishin' and hopin' for a return to the "good old days" when Victor was still alive and ranting at anyone and everyone not toeing the line he wanted them to toe. Trying to clone the Rock of Ages sounds like homesickness and mental derangement if you ask me. Remember the song, "It's good to be home again, been away too long..."

NOSTALGIA: from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition. noun A bittersweet longing for things, persons, or situations of the past. noun The condition of being homesick; homesickness. from The Century Dictionary. noun Morbid longing to return to one's home or native country; homesickness, especially in its severe forms, producing derangement of mental and physical functions.