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Stories vs Narratives indeed they are related but not identical. In his presentation, Hagel notes the power of stories for engaging audiences, but says they have limited power because of their closed-ended nature. They have a beginning, middle and end. Once a story resolves, it is more or less over. It is also more about the people in the story than about the listener. It can be retold and serve as an example, but beyond that there is limited opportunity for members of an audience to engage it. Narratives are different, Hagel says, for two reasons. First, they are open-ended—they do not have a resolution. Second, they have an implicit “invitation to participate,” which allows listeners to play a role in what the outcome is going to be. “There is something that is in the process of unfolding. The end is yet to be determined. And…there is an invitation for all of us to participate in that narrative, to help determine what the outcome is going to be,” he says. Hagel goes on to say that narratives operate at personal, institutional, and social levels. Examples of social narratives he gives are Christianity and the American narrative, which motivate “incredible action” over time.

I think you can find out about by searching this website. He apparently considers those who follow him and his teachings these days as "the remnant."

Well, it's ALL a story or a bunch of stories. Humanity is all about stories. But I don't see God making everybody automatons.

Or as Loy would call them, "the remnant."

Seriously? I can't believe you actually think that could happen.

There never was any more detail. It was vague... and the unspoken truth was that you just had to take it on faith. The people recruited into Wierwille's cult in the 1970s and 80s were young people, teens to young adults. FEW had the kind of analytical mind back then to even form the questions you have just posed. If anyone DID form and ask those questions, they either decided on their own that they didn't need to belong to this newfangled subculture or if they did get sucked in (by the undertow, as it were), if they mustered up the gumption to articulate the questions and asked them out loud, they were sent packing (marked and avoided) before they knew what hit them.

Incredibly insightful. Crowley REJECTED fundamentalism and apparently was known for (among other things) his interest in Western esotericism. It seems there are a few parallels between Crowley and Wierwille. The differences seem to be mainly that Victor employed heavy use of the terminology of Christianity but still made clear distinctions between himself and the Christian Church. Wierwille lived the life of a libertine and justified it by verbal legerdemain. Crowley apparently felt no need to hide his libertine lifestyle.

400 miles/charge. It wouldn't be worth it to me if I could only use it for in town commuting. But I could go across the country while only charging a few times with the 400 mile battery pack.

You might have made your point already, ya think?

I've been attached (sort of) to/with GSC for more than 20 years. In the mid-aughts I had some seriously trying times. We survive. Thankfully, you're also a survivor. I'm thankful for your perspective.

That would be a fair bet.

Frankl published 39 books.[5] The autobiographical Man's Search for Meaning, a best-selling book, is based on his experiences in various Nazi concentration camps.[6] As I indicated previously (the first time I posted those images) nobody earned the right to make the claim about attitude more than he did. It's pertinent to the direction this thread veered off into over the last week or so. Granted, your experiences in TWI were not enviable. I wouldn't wish those experiences on anyone. From another Wikipedia article about Frankl, After earning his M.D. in 1930, Frankl gained extensive experience at Steinhof Psychiatric Hospital, where he was responsible for the treatment of suicidal women. In 1937, he began a private practice, but the Nazi annexation of Austria in 1938 limited his opportunity to treat patients.[1] In 1940, he joined Rothschild Hospital, the only hospital in Vienna still admitting Jews, as head of the neurology department. Prior to his deportation to the concentration camps, he helped numerous patients avoid the Nazi euthanasia program that targeted the mentally disabled.[2][13] In 1942, just nine months after his marriage, Frankl and his family were sent to the Theresienstadt concentration camp. His father died there of starvation and pneumonia. In 1944, Frankl and the surviving members of his family were transported to Auschwitz, where his mother and brother were murdered in the gas chambers. His wife died later of typhus in Bergen-Belsen. Frankl spent three years in four concentration camps.[6] So, ignore the wisdom of the ages if you wish, but I embrace his insight and that of others who shared their wisdom through the ages.

I don't understand what you mean by that sentence. Would you care to clarify?

Bravo WordWolf.

Have you considered waiting a year and purchasing an Aptera Solar Car?

Wisdom from the current age (Disney)

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What I see is you doing what TWI did for eons... get mad when people disagreed with them. They always had to be right. Now, selectively conflating concepts/issues/notions, you have to be the only one with the right answer. That's not how life works, my friend.

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