Rocky

I was going to start a new thread but when I saw this one, I thought it might fit here. I hope so, anyway. A couple of weeks ago, I was in youtube looking at some video clips. To my surprise, in the recommended clips list on the right side of the window.Probably, I had previously looked for clips from dickedher (wierwille) or twi. Anyway, it was posted by a cult sycophant named Maurice Goulet. I posted a comment and fortunately saved the comment to a separate file because it disappeared from youtube in less than 24 hours. Here's what I wrote: ----- My experience with Wierwille was first hand. He was a mean, nasty, narcissistic SOB. He used and abused anyone he could, especially those of us gullible enough to enlist, as young adults, in the Way Corps (I was in the 9th). He built a subculture based on the works of others (plagiarism). His "Way Tree" had accountability completely backward. Instead of, as was in the Book of Acts, the traveling ministers were accountable to the people who provided their sustinence, whenever Wierwille traveled, his minions were instructed to provide him with every comfort and luxury, but don't dare demand accountability from him. In other words, in his arrogance, he believed he did not have to answer to anyone. As a result, he used many of the young female WOWs and Way Corps for his personal toys in the 1970s and early 1980s. He holds a great deal of responsibility for what LC Martindale did that got him tossed aside by The Way. Wierwille both mentored Martindale and built the closed subculture of reckless abuse of women that Martindale got caught up in and perpetuated after Wierwille's death. Martin Buber wrote (I and Thou) about the difference between people and things. Wierwille preached that people were to love and things were to be used. But he DID exactly the opposite in far too many instances. I don't know that "mainstream media" even knows or cares who Wierwille was anymore, let alone believe anything about him. Having personally worked in corporate media, and now blogging regularly, I know that there is plenty of information online to document what Wierwille actually did. Furthermore, his "foundational class" was FULL of irrational, non-logical and unsound arguments. That class was nothing but indoctrination into a mindset where he set himself up to be the ONLY authority on what was the will of God. His interpretation of Proverbs 29:18 is a poignant case in point. There may be redeeming social value in a close examination of the history of The Way for understanding how people can be indoctrinated and change their behavior without basis in rational sound reasoning. But as far as I'm concerned, that's about it. If you want to know the God of the Bible, you'll probably need to cast off a good bit of what you may have learned as a result of Wierwille's "ministry." ----- I used Goulet's name on purpose. Maybe he'll think more about whether he wants to continue to bow down to dickedher's legacy if he knows that he can't completely disassociate his name from the legitimate criticism. And Skyrider, I agree completely with your point about twi not providing room for people to grow up.

I was looking around in youtube a day or two ago and in the list of recommended videos on the right side of the window showed up one titled something like Wierwille's last public teaching - The Hope. It was, of course, bulls*it and I didn't bother to watch more than the first two and a half minutes or so before I couldn't tolerate it anymore. But the guy who had posted the video is named Maurice Goulet and boy is he a Wierwille sycophant. There are lots of comments on the the video... so, I added one. Fortunately, I saved my comment because he apparently didn't like it and either deleted it himself or got google to do it for him by flagging it. Anyway, the indentured servitude concept got me wound up and here's what I wrote.

As to legal concerns, if it was Jim Doop's manuscript, ownership now rests with his estate or his heirs.

Never underestimate the power of self-delusion. I'm not sure who first said that, but I heard it from an investigative journalist just a few minutes ago.

Religion (including Wierwille's) is and was all about people. God was incidental. We were staging social manipulation... because we were "true believers" in the TWI religion. At least for a while (about 12 years in my case).

It's perhaps no wonder that a couple of years ago, I had to post something to JAL to (symbolically) give him a slap to wake up and realize that we are no longer little kids but grown ups who have had to figure out our way in life.

If nobody grows up and learns to think for themselves, they remain dependent on TWI for their entire lives. Could that have been the idea behind having adult humans repeatedly doing mass indoctrination exercises like Father Abraham, Little Bunny Foo Foo, the Crocodile song, etc.?

Sarah sure dresses funny for an uncle. :biglaugh:/>

Too nebulous. You really didn't give any one anything to go on as to what you intended by using that term. Sodomization You know, other than letting us know where your head is at. :confused:/>

And as we've come to realize, BECAUSE we continued to learn, IN SPITE OF twi, that it's all bull***t.

I partly agree and partly disagree. Clearly TWI is nowhere'sville now. And the pathetically non-eventful ordination of V2P2 does not appear to put anyone or anything on a path similar to the mormons, 7th Day Adventists or JWs. But that doesn't mean somebody charismatically devious can't enter the picture at some point. I'll grant that it's unlikely, but not that it's impossible. Indeed, I think you're on to something with the role-playing game insight.

Yes. Pathetic. Yes, that was Sarah W playing the piano. Emphatically YES, a pretend world based on the lies of one jackass of a man.

Indeed, likely justifying it all as you've got to act like you deserve it before it will come to fruition. But really it's about the pipe dreams of the elders... Walter J Cummins (duly aged) and a ffew other old timers praying over the next generation guy who will be able to repeat words written by somebody else. Not ONE word in that video was at all inspiring... Listened to an 11 clip of V1P1 teaching. It was fully of logical fallacies. Dickedher could count on ensnaring young people without much intellectual savvy. Anyone capable of listening to wierwille and apply critical thinking could see right through it. Of course, at age 19 when I first was entangled by Wierwille's BS, I didn't have much of life to use to evaluate it.

As far as we've heard, nobody has located Barnard at this time.

I remember getting yelled at by wierwille a time or two, but don't recall ever having a pleasant conversation with him. Loy, OTOH, I talked with a few times but nothing memorable. btw, I am male. :)

And psychopathy.

The trappings of narcissism.

There was a LOT of that... you are definitely not alone.

Some decided to actually have a life of their own choosing. The doulos "teaching" wasn't even subtle in its manipulation/indoctrination. Become slaves to TWI as a surrogate for God.

Nope, still moping around Toledo. Still, as I understand, living in that TWI paid for home and receiving a respectable (size) pension. Woe is him.

When Victor Barnard is found and brought to justice, corporate media will have renewed interest in TWI.

Definitely an eye opener. You are certainly welcome.

Neither celebrate nor mourn for me. I'm beyond both. But I may find something else to celebrate.

Here's another. Victor Barnard.