Rocky

There was a plan?

Or, you could send Skyrider a private message asking him for the link. He's good at it.

And I responded. It IS intriguing to view the court docket for the Allan and Parker lawsuits... though the complaint (original statement of the problem on which the plaintiffs sued) and the settlements are not available online. Also, Undertow is easy to obtain I provided a link to Barnes and Noble above, Amazon also sells it.

Salacious conjecture, but he didn't have a motorcoach when he met with the hippies in California.

Paul wasn't dealing with a centralized money machine. He was simply concerned about ministering to the saints and the saints took care of his financial needs. This current situation illustrates the evil of the Way Tree concept.

Did you yet find the threads where Skyrider told that story?

Intriguing insight... I would only caution that it doesn't preclude studying history, even our cult history, to understand it more as life today goes on.

Hey BC, You say you've read Karl's book, right? Have you read Charlene's? Charlene wrote Undertow: My Escape from the Fundamentalism and Cult Control of The Way International -- a memoir -- her experience. She also included documentation about things that she did and that she saw happen. I strongly recommend that book to anyone who wants to understand the abusiveness of Wierwille's inner circle, the WC training, and working on staff.

Also, I have pdf files of about 30 letters Wierwille wrote to "his corps." I think they're posted somewhere on this site, but I don't know where. I have them on google drive and can provide links for people to read... if anyone is interested. I put them on google drive last summer.

I can translate legaleze... if you provide a document, I can see about "translating."

How very true.

They introduced him as Michael Fort.

This is true.

Oh heavens no, they do NOT intend to start a new splinter cult! HAHAHAHAhahahahaha! Methinks they doth protest too much (with their denials when asked about intent to start a new group).

Okay, thanks.

Other than Undertow, Yuval Noah Harari's book Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind, provided tremendous insight on how our species (homo sapiens) goes about concocting elaborate fictions upon which to base our lives and cultures. In MANY ways, Wierwille's fiction is just like Hubbard's. Like Charlene said, " the "accuracy of The Word," is a mirage..."

Did you delete posts from this thread? If so, why?

I've got to say that even though you didn't get to view the video, you have them pegged pretty well.

Completely reasonable assessment.

It also occurs to me that the quaintness and apparent deficiencies in understanding the dilemmas they (the panelists in the video and perhaps also the rest of the signers of the documents sent to the BOD) face is a very sad manifestation of stifling the inquisitiveness of sixty-somethings for more than three decades. The only thing these people seem to know, and the only language they use, is right out of PFLAP and Wierwille's teachings of the Bible. The best thing that could happen to/for any of them is to come to the realization that humanity/society left them behind. I learned long ago (but still, AFTER I left TWI) that I don't know nearly as much as I need to know. Fast forward to recognition that knowledge among humans is growing at an amazing rate (geometric, perhaps) and that I needed to adopt a lifelong learning mindset. That's why I read. But if all one reads is TWI drivel, how can they expect different results? That's not to say I'm better than them... they're still breathing, so they can decide to break out of the box of their mental and emotional prisons and start learning what else there is to learn. So, for The Way Cult, damage control means to cut the R&R leaders off. But for the R&R leaders, damage control may mean they need to break out of those mental/emotional/social prisons. The fact that they have grown dissatisfied with The Way Cult is a good first step.

It's on FB in a closed group event page. I don't know how to share it if it's available at all to do so. If it was on YouTube, I'd share it. Overall, having endured the entire 59 minutes, I'd say the panel is puffed up about their own importance, naive about whether they could make a positive impact on TWI and/or in denial about what seems like the natural result being to start another splinter group. For me, having been out of the cult for 30 years, it all seemed quaint. Nothing in the video changed my view that their endeavor is Sisyphean. The saddest thing about the entire affair is that there may be a thousand or more people cluelessly hoping that this group may actually bring about restoration and revival of TWI. If there is to be a revival of any kind, wouldn't it be God's prerogative rather than that of a bunch of people who committed their adult lives in service to the narcissistic subculture started by a minor megalomaniac? In FB threads on the event page (where the video rests), people are longingly asking for disclosure of the the documents sent to the (as one GSCer said last night) Board of Dummies. Yet, those documents have already been posted here. Now, if I were to respond to those FB threads with that insight, I'd probably be banned from that event group.

Yes, they read some of the questions. Check out the Damage Control thread.

No question about that. This panel spent time denying the intent to start a splinter group. However, they have to realize they all are going to ultimately be M&A.

Of course.

Consider that you have a target audience for such a strategic move that includes potentially a thousand or more people who are already locked into the idea that they need to give away 15 percent of their income in order for God to protect them. The question is whether a viable market exists. I'd guess that it does... and that among the new splinter leadership group, there's probably enough financial resources to make them not so concerned about the urgency of getting the new revenue stream up and running to ensure survival.