Rocky

No... Loy was promoting the magical thinking fantasy. Once it was in the senses realm, debbil spurts could steal it. IIRC, that IS how he described it.

I emphatically disagree with your characterization. Yes, the 22 passages were hidden but only because you've misunderstood what Dictor was saying. I liken your cockamamie interpretation of Dictor's dictum(s) to what an old friend told me in October 2016. He predicted the outcome of a certain election and declared that said outcome would usher in the Kingdom of God on Earth. I told him then that I thought that notion was overwhelmingly absurd. Your interpretation of the passages you've posted thus far is overwhelmingly absurd. Further, I can't see how any of the rest of them could possibly be anything but absurd. Personally, I don't care where you obtained your "verbal tip."

Sigh... yeah, you're right.

Apparently, I wasn't clear. That Dictor claimed that what he was speaking was God-breathed is irrelevant. We can see what you're talking about. I don't believe that those 22 occult statements (occult means hidden) constitute anything even approaching "evidence" that they were God-breathed. If you're going to make a convincing case that anything he spoke or wrote (or had anyone else write) was God-breathed, you're going to have to do it without reliance on his narcissistic pronouncements.

He hid them? Nonsense. He made claims that any two-bit con man can and has made millions of times over the last two millenia. If you're going to make a case that anything Dictor said or (had someone else write) wrote was god-breathed, you've got a LONG way to go. And the case will not be made simply by showing that he claimed his own words were god-breathed.

Mike, what distinguished Dictor's words from any other snake oil salesman? Just because he said he was telling you something that he believed was god-breathed, doesn't make it so. Any two-bit preacher can (and it's a safe assumption that many did) make similar claims. I get that you are presenting your claims in the form of logical arguments, but it's abundantly clear that you're not a logician.

Ask Google. I already gave you links to get started. I'm not a university professor.

THAT was the root of the evil that was and is Dictor's cult. But you say, doesn't scripture tell us that the love of money is the root of all evil? Well, "axiomatically" [one can't serve two masters] if one is narcissistically incapable of considering the needs of "his way corps" perhaps he's more obsessed with what is important to himself... even if he frames it as "word over the world" and "the word of God is the will of God." Or as Martin Buber put it, there's a fundamental difference between the I-Thou relationship and the I-It relationship. To Dictor, the way corpse (individuals as well as the group) was a thing, not a human who deserved to be treated with dignity.

In each of the three, you're REALLY stretching it when you claim that they are anything but Dictor using the expression as anything but a communication device. By that I mean, the point he's making is that he wants the student/reader/listener to get the point. So he's representing the point as being from God himself. I do vaguely recall teachings on Figures of Speech that address that very communication device.

I saw them. Looks to me like you may have mischaracterized them.

yes

Perhaps because it's pretty much bull$hit.

I've been getting laughs with that bit for more than 40 years.... that and "I'm so mad at my mother..."

That's his response when people ask him how he can be so effin' funny...

Fairy tales. Artists (dance) communicating fantastical stories.

Expounding a bit on the subject of stories and Mike's allegations of a so-called "pure evil" model of evaluating Dictor. Btw, didn't Jesus use stories (parables) to communicate?

1) Nobody's forcing you to do ANYthing. 2) You seriously mischaracterize belief as hope. 3) "because if I'm lucid..." seems to take the form of an argument, but is FAR from a legitimate argument.

Isn't there something in PFLAP about changing a word? I didn't say (and I didn't mean) "people like a story." Humans (and humanity) NEED stories.

The social sciences very much intrigue me. The nitpicky things on which you want to split hairs above are so inconsequential. That you believe you can prove anything about TWI, PFLAP and Dictor is a fool's errend. BUT... I don't see how it would be less noble than many other pursuits.

Here's my latest insight on Mike and his irrational devotion to the Orange Book, PFLAP and Dictor. (Disclaimer: who says I know any better than anyone else about Mike, or about anything related to twi?) Kurt Andersen, in 2017, published Fantasyland: How America Went Haywire -- A 500-year history. It's a recollection of history, dealing with our obsession with freedom to believe whatever the hell we want to believe about any and every subject. "In this sweeping, eloquent history of America, Kurt Andersen demonstrates that what’s happening in our country today—this strange, post-factual, “fake news” moment we’re all living through—is not something entirely new, but rather the ultimate expression of our national character and path. America was founded by wishful dreamers, magical thinkers, and true believers, by impresarios and their audiences, by hucksters and their suckers. Believe-whatever-you-want fantasy is deeply embedded in our DNA." This book appears to take Maria Konnakova's The Confidence Game (an exposition about how all of us as individuals are subject to deception, getting conned) and project the concepts out to religion and culture in general. It seems apparent to me that many (most) of us here believe Mike is delusional regarding his stated intent to demonstrate to us that certain writings of VeePee were and are God-breathed. It's not something that's possible to prove logically... because it's not logical to begin with. It's irrational. But Mike has dedicated years of his life to cementing his belief. Bully for him. The reality is that humans NEED stories. Mike has struggled to clearly articulate one that we all have some background understanding, even though nobody admits (on this website) to accepting along side him. He cannot and will not prove anything along the lines he has so long and so emphatically claimed. Yet, neither can we disprove it rationally or logically (I think).

How do you know it was caused by "100% PFAL" and not a larger, Body of Christ movement inspired by the actual bible?

The first episode (or two) of The Path are now available on HULU. https://www.hulu.com/watch/1206287

I guess it could be worse.

Not to use the figure of speech that our good friend from across the pond did (changing the M to N), but perhaps her point is still valid. "Just DO it."

I will never be verified because I have never been verified. -- The Tweet of God (@TheTweetofGod)