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Bayside Fellowship is registered as a religious, nonprofit corporation with the California Secretary of State. It's entity number is C1963364. If anyone is in contact with MLE S., she probably has grounds to sue the corporation, its officers and directors, and sole employee in civil court. Further, based on her allegations on IG, she seems to have grounds for reporting a criminal sexual assault against that sole employee. Again, representation by an experienced attorney as well as connecting with a new/different church might be wise.

Yeah, I picked up on that. I know where Los Gatos (the cats) is. I have family in San Jose. Where is Bayside Fellowship listed as a religious organization?

Did you try google?

Be ready. Be safe.

I listened to a couple more of MLE's videos. OMG. Sounds like she needs an attorney who can give her specific insight on what she can do about the man who sexually assaulted her... and a new church would help.

Okay, I hadn't realized there were videos. Mle seems like a very strong person with a good head on her shoulders. I listened to one 15 min video and one shorter. I didn't get many specifics but did get the gist. I wish her well.

Sorry if I wasn't clear. That's one of the two searches I did on instagram. There I only found info about one person, not sexual predation by anyone.

I saw nothing of the kind about any specific people suffering sexual abuse or being accused of it at instagram searching either #baysidefellowship (unless the misspelling was intentional, which i didn't check) or #churchtoo. Churchtoo appears to be in general about sexual abuse in churches. If you have anything specific, please be more specific.

Wasn't that Rosie?

Sounds like you need legal advice from someone conversant with publishing/copyright/intellectual property law. I would be very skeptical of any such advice on the subject you might get here.

Not sure Ermal was an abuser. An enabler of Wierwille, sure, but I don't know that his reputation included abusing people.

Can we all vote on it?

Sounds like an excellent way to muddy the waters so that nobody knows who is responsible for what.

I appreciate the clarification. All I would say is that it is often difficult to effectively communicate humor, hence, why folks didn't pick up on it.

Not so fast. Don't let go of what motivated you to accomplish a ton of things. Just be cautious that you don't let it eat you up.

YES!

That's a reasonable interpretation, but it IS a subjective/idiomatic expression so I don't see yours as necessarily contradictory to what Twinky and Flow7 said about it. Yes, history is recorded through the subjective lens of those writing the record. There's also the expression, "history is written by the winners." Knowing some historians and archivists, I'll disagree with you about what their passion might be. They want to get it right, generally speaking. But they still have the filter of their education and experience. That's a reasonable comparison even though the danger faced in the two scenarios was, for the most part not comparable. It strikes me that so many people have had the records of pandemic history, notably the 1918 Spanish Flu (might be labeled differently in records in other countries), and that it's clear that social distancing, wearing masks and frequent hand washing were established as effective practices to protect people during that pandemic. Yet, it's troubling that so many people in 2020 are oblivious and defiant... with far too many from their ranks ending up dead. In March, right after it became widely understood that we faced a deadly pandemic, I was able to read a book about the 1918 Spanish Flu. My point is that Moishe's experience was hardly unique, as was ours with TWI. It seems to be human nature.

Have you reached out directly to Lifted Up? I'm confident he has comforting words that will make sense to you. Take care and I hope your child and family are well.

The cult: Before setting out on his own, Barnard was first a member of the Way International, a nondenominational Christian sect known for encouraging followers to interpret the Bible on their own terms. With tens of thousands of followers in 35 countries, the group fell apart in the mid-1980s. Its founder and his successor were both accused of brainwashing and having sex with female followers. Barnard gathered former disillusioned members of the Way International and founded River Road Fellowship in the early 1990s, promising it would be different. As a minister, he had gained 150 followers by 1996, when the congregation purchased a wooded 85-acre campground in Finlayson, Minnesota. They called it Shepherd’s Camp, and Barnard convinced families to sell their homes and move there.

WOW! Talk about not knowing about that which you think you're talking.

Indeed, T-Bone Night is not pleasure reading. In the fall of 1972, my only semester at Northern Arizona University, I still recall a Humanities professor discussing Man's Inhumanity to Man. Today, I would change it to Humankind's inhumanity to Humans, or something like that. But that's beside the point. As a 17-year old, I had no clue at that time what the heck that was. Well, we had reading assignments but 48 years hence, I have a lot more insight than a freshman Humanities book could impart to a kid like I was then. I very much appreciate your comment. Obviously thoughtful and sobering. Thank you.

No apology necessary. I appreciate your review of the book. And your thoughtfulness about the experiences of different persons who may have been involved.

Nope, Flow7, you got the point exactly. Thank you.

If you're "not interested" in the topic, then I would welcome you to stop participating on the thread. Thank you.

Hi Flow7, Conceptually, I agree with your sentiment. However, like waysider explained it's already been hashed out over and over and over and over... and over again here. Practically speaking, there is no possibility that on this message board, we're going to successfully expand discussion and overall understanding of this very significant and solemn account of man's inhumanity to man. As Allan''s "contributions" have already demonstrated, it IS possible for one person in a small group to obscure and distract away from any constructive discussion of the subject. That's the gist of the why for Raf's declaration about Holocaust denial. As I mentioned earlier, if people want to explore and challenge the detail of Holocaust research the Wikipedia article on the subject has 461 notes and a bibliography of roughly 100 articles/books written by scholars of the era. That's where Allan can deny and challenge to his heart's content without distracting from the topic of this thread -- One person's experience in the middle of the hell that actually took place.