Rocky

you sound delusional.

How many would want to follow along with such a group? How many would want to follow along with any other such group that exercises such apparent "undue influence" which is inherently deceptive? Is this simply an example and an instance of something inherent in humanity and/or human nature because "we" (humans/humanity) crave something in particular that this deluded NPD "minister" promised? Is this an instance of... I propose answers to these questions may be alluded to, if not explicitly articulated in the writings of Steven Hassan, who has researched the phenomenon for nearly 50 years? I don't know. But I wonder about it a lot. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/contributors/steven-a-hassan-phd Hassan's books include: Freedom of Mind Combating Cult Control Releasing the Bonds The Bite Model THE BITE MODEL OF AUTHORITARIAN CONTROL: UNDUE INFLUENCE, THOUGHT REFORM, BRAINWASHING, MIND CONTROL, TRAFFICKING AND THE LAW Hassan also wrote a book explaining cult influence in a particular political figure in America today The common thread in all of his writing is undue influence. He's not anti-religion. He's not inherently political. But he does have insight related to understanding what Victor Wierwille tapped into in order to capture or corral tens of thousands of us to follow his teaching. What I suspect these Way Corps letters can provide to us now in retrospect is how Victor's emotional condition when he wrote those letters bely his underlying psychological vulnerability was perhaps one key to enable many of us to escape what we had not yet recognized as Victor's undue influence over us.

Indeed. WHO has authority over whom, and over what? Does any donated money go anywhere to help communities and people outside of TWI? OR is it all hoarded and no information provided as to how much is used for what purposes? That's generally disclosed in audits of nonprofit organizations.

As did MANY of us...

https://freedomofmind.com/ https://BITEmodel.com

People who come here wanting to know what TWI is all about... maybe a child or friend... or themselves. In addition to Penworks' insight from her first hand experience, I offer these resources. https://freedomofmind.com/ https://BITEmodel.com

https://bitemodel.com/ Steven Hassan Ph.D. after years of focused study of cults came up with the BITE model for assessing whether the group was a cult or not. Behavior Information (control thereof)... I took the PFLAP class 49+ years ago. I still remember Victor Wierwille instructing students to NOT read anything but materials produced by TWI. He cleverly couched that directive in temporal terms in that class. IF you will ONLY read the bible and TWI materials for several months... Thought Emotion Bottom-line: like Penworks pointed out, it does matter where the money they'll ask you to donate goes and what they do with it. But it's really so much more. Penworks, in her memoir UNDERTOW demonstrated how it was far more insidious than just keeping their use of donations secret.

I get it.

Let me put it this way, with many first hand records of abuse by twi leadership, if you were in their shoes, would you feel welcome here?

Oh my, Charity! Without purging from GSC all of the things so many have said about twi over the last couple of decades? I can't imagine.

https://www.cultfacts.com/cults/the-way-international First 2 paragraphs are much as twi might describe itself. Third paragraph: They also adopted a hierarchical educational structure which many say is used to exercise excessive control over its members. "The Foundational Class on Power for Abundant Living," serves as an entry point into a system that encourages participants to climb a ladder of increasing commitment and involvement, a structure often compared to pyramid schemes [not unlike Scientology]. Members who commit to the Way have reported severe sleep deprivation, isolation from families, and other forms of control from church leaders, which have led them to drop out of school, quit taking medicine, or prepare for a prophesized nuclear holocaust. Some of their worst abuses started to come to light after former members launched lawsuits against the organization. In addition to concerns about psychological manipulation and financial control, former members testified about a widespread coordination of up to fifty leaders[aka conspiracy] to assist in and coverup the sexual abuse of female members at the hands of the presidents and high-ranking leaders. Court documents and media sources reported that girls as young as thirteen are shown pornography and trained in how to provide sexual gratification while being taught that a woman's purpose is to give sexual pleasure to men. Victims revealed how leaders used the guilt of disobeying God and fears of death to coerce them into submission. Meanwhile other trusted leaders told them how privileged they were to be able to satisfy such great men of God. At it's peak, The Way was considered the second largest cult in America, with up to 40,000 members. While membership declined significantly in the 1990s, the organization still exists today, remaining curiously quiet about their abusive history.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=is+the+way+international+a+dangerous+cult&atb=v353-1&t=chromentp&ia=web

He really did NOT see the people as anything other than revenue sources. That's right! It's also like when owners of major league sports teams... they need "butts in seats." "...emerged into full fruition..." [iow, HAPPENED] CULTS make their own language to help cement the unseen chains around the followers. What C A R P!

Charity, you SURMISED correctly. I just viewed a YouTube short that calls out mindlessness. IOW, acting/believing because someone told us something which we accept without challenging. Victor Wierwille gave absolute (private) interpretations of scripture. In many cases, some of us wrote notes in our bibles to memorialize those absolutes. I don't subscribe to William Brooks' interpretations/declarations. BUT, I can't argue with his notion/desire to challenge what he was taught. That's the whole idea behind Proverbs 2:1-5. Here's another caveat: while I wouldn't discourage him from challenging any given teaching/interpretation/declaration of twi, I would counsel against anyone accepting his claims without challenging them mindfully. IOW, he would have to make sound arguments for how/why what he claims to be true is actually true.

Yawn...

Steven Hassan interviews attorney Carol Merchasin Includes but is not limited to religious cults. Bottom line: The Way International has historically done at least some of this, whether or not it still does. NOTE: it's still understandable at 1.75x or even 2.0x... to save you some time.

I'm not sure you have any data to back up that claim. However, that no one on this thread claimed cults are the only source of undue influence and coercion.

Shady or good ideas? rhetorical question.

Perhaps you skipped the YT video. Hassan studied undue influence and has written about it. That's the point of this discussion thread. Yeah, to make a sale, one has to find potential buyers. But the entire ministry of The Way International was about undue influence and high demand practices.

It's entirely possible whoever it was just connected a few dots to the plot of Paper Moon with Ryan and Tatum O'Neil.

I have now listened to the entire hour long YT clip. I sped it up to 2x. It was still very clearly understandable. Most importantly, I believe this is one of the best discussions I've heard about UNDUE INFLUENCE in the 35+ years since I left TWI. Hassan and Boyle-Laisure parse out some VERY important legal and psychological/behavioral issues that clearly implicate Victor Wierwille and Loy Craig Martindale as cult leaders.

Robin Boyle Laisure teaches at St. John's University School of Law https://www.stjohns.edu/law/faculty/robin-boyle-laisure On her faculty page, she lists her books and articles. This one got my attention: Undoing Undue Influence: How the Doctrine Can Avoid Judicial Subjectivity by Omitting the Vulnerability Element The YT video also mentions things that have been taught in Way Corps training and sexual coercion by way of drugs. For example (but NOT limited to this practice), having trainees write autobiographical information (i.e. from Birth to the Corps) that to be used for psychological manipulation (e.g. shaming).

Steven Hassan interviews law professor Robin Boyle-Laisure. Witnessing and Undershepherding? Cults CAN purchase prospect information on young adults online. Does anyone have any inside information on whether TWI has, openly or in a clandestine manner, tried do this kind of prospecting?