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The Way Makes Themselves Look Good on the Internet
Rocky replied to Stayed Too Long's topic in About The Way
People who come here wanting to know what TWI is all about... maybe a child or friend... or themselves. In addition to Penworks' insight from her first hand experience, I offer these resources. https://freedomofmind.com/ https://BITEmodel.com -
https://bitemodel.com/ Steven Hassan Ph.D. after years of focused study of cults came up with the BITE model for assessing whether the group was a cult or not. Behavior Information (control thereof)... I took the PFLAP class 49+ years ago. I still remember Victor Wierwille instructing students to NOT read anything but materials produced by TWI. He cleverly couched that directive in temporal terms in that class. IF you will ONLY read the bible and TWI materials for several months... Thought Emotion Bottom-line: like Penworks pointed out, it does matter where the money they'll ask you to donate goes and what they do with it. But it's really so much more. Penworks, in her memoir UNDERTOW demonstrated how it was far more insidious than just keeping their use of donations secret.
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The Way Makes Themselves Look Good on the Internet
Rocky replied to Stayed Too Long's topic in About The Way
Let me put it this way, with many first hand records of abuse by twi leadership, if you were in their shoes, would you feel welcome here? -
The Way Makes Themselves Look Good on the Internet
Rocky replied to Stayed Too Long's topic in About The Way
Oh my, Charity! Without purging from GSC all of the things so many have said about twi over the last couple of decades? I can't imagine. -
The Way Makes Themselves Look Good on the Internet
Rocky replied to Stayed Too Long's topic in About The Way
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The Way Makes Themselves Look Good on the Internet
Rocky replied to Stayed Too Long's topic in About The Way
https://www.cultfacts.com/cults/the-way-international First 2 paragraphs are much as twi might describe itself. Third paragraph: They also adopted a hierarchical educational structure which many say is used to exercise excessive control over its members. "The Foundational Class on Power for Abundant Living," serves as an entry point into a system that encourages participants to climb a ladder of increasing commitment and involvement, a structure often compared to pyramid schemes [not unlike Scientology]. Members who commit to the Way have reported severe sleep deprivation, isolation from families, and other forms of control from church leaders, which have led them to drop out of school, quit taking medicine, or prepare for a prophesized nuclear holocaust. Some of their worst abuses started to come to light after former members launched lawsuits against the organization. In addition to concerns about psychological manipulation and financial control, former members testified about a widespread coordination of up to fifty leaders[aka conspiracy] to assist in and coverup the sexual abuse of female members at the hands of the presidents and high-ranking leaders. Court documents and media sources reported that girls as young as thirteen are shown pornography and trained in how to provide sexual gratification while being taught that a woman's purpose is to give sexual pleasure to men. Victims revealed how leaders used the guilt of disobeying God and fears of death to coerce them into submission. Meanwhile other trusted leaders told them how privileged they were to be able to satisfy such great men of God. At it's peak, The Way was considered the second largest cult in America, with up to 40,000 members. While membership declined significantly in the 1990s, the organization still exists today, remaining curiously quiet about their abusive history. -
The Way Makes Themselves Look Good on the Internet
Rocky replied to Stayed Too Long's topic in About The Way
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He really did NOT see the people as anything other than revenue sources. That's right! It's also like when owners of major league sports teams... they need "butts in seats." "...emerged into full fruition..." [iow, HAPPENED] CULTS make their own language to help cement the unseen chains around the followers. What C A R P!
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Spirit of Prophesy by William Brooks a.k.a. OldSkool
Rocky replied to Charity's topic in Out of the Way: The Offshoots
Charity, you SURMISED correctly. I just viewed a YouTube short that calls out mindlessness. IOW, acting/believing because someone told us something which we accept without challenging. Victor Wierwille gave absolute (private) interpretations of scripture. In many cases, some of us wrote notes in our bibles to memorialize those absolutes. I don't subscribe to William Brooks' interpretations/declarations. BUT, I can't argue with his notion/desire to challenge what he was taught. That's the whole idea behind Proverbs 2:1-5. Here's another caveat: while I wouldn't discourage him from challenging any given teaching/interpretation/declaration of twi, I would counsel against anyone accepting his claims without challenging them mindfully. IOW, he would have to make sound arguments for how/why what he claims to be true is actually true. -
Spirit of Prophesy by William Brooks a.k.a. OldSkool
Rocky replied to Charity's topic in Out of the Way: The Offshoots
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