hiway29

I've always been more of an Angels fan, than a Dodger fan, mainly because I was raised on American league baseball, and the Angels were also the underdogs here. They certainly have the Dodgers outclassed in most departments now. However, I live 10 minutes from Dodger Stadium, which I love, and a nerve racking hour or more drive to Angel Stadium, so I go to tons more Dodger games, at least 20 a year. A check back on this board will tell most of my Dodger feelings concerning the new ownership and the team. I really really love Dodger Stadium . And as I've said before, I enjoy not being emotionally hung up on the team. I just appreciate having major league baseball, in an idyllic setting right down the road from my house, and find much contentment in kicking back in the loge, with a Dodger Dog and a coke on a warm summer night. I was at Angel Stadium the other week to see the Angels beat the Yanks. I still have a carryover feeling for the yankees , apparently, as I found myself pulling for them. I normally live by the 'when in Rome' rule, and like to cheer along with whatever team I happen to be visiting, but my childhood loyalties growing up near NYC, and living for the yankees has not been totally erased yet. I just love going to ballgames, and plan on hitting the still new Padre Stadium before the season is over, or whatever it's corporate name is. That the Dodgers are still in the pennant race 9 games under .500 is absurd, and tells all you need to know about the National League Worst.

Mstar, you are really in Sox heaven. Everyone from the owner, to the manager, to even lovable Manny are awesome to behold. If I sound snide, I'm not trying to be. I've stated my opinions about the Sox and everything else here. I even agree with many of your assessments, tho I still think if the Sox were playing lousy, and Manny wasn't hitting, the bloom would be off the rose, as it ultimately always is in baseball. Predictions are meaningless, but I do think the Sox are headed back to the series, if they can get past the other Sox, who I won't believe they can make it until they do.

The raising of hands according to distance traveled , seems like a scaled down version of corps night hookups, where Craig would make a big show of acknowledging Gunnison, Emporia etc being hooked up. Well of COURSE they were hooked up-where the f else were they going to be ? The toilet paper thing reminded me of the time a grad needed to use the bathroom during a pfal class. Almost the unforgivable sin in way world. During the 10 minute break, the corps dude hauled all the grads down to the basement and reamed everyone for even thinking of going to the bathroom. After all it might give the new students ideas. I think a new student seeing all the grads disappear like lemmings during the short break sent a much bigger message. Plus it was during the only break, so noone had a chance to use the bathroom during the only time they could. Just another hell night in the more than 40 (gasp) pfal classes I suffered through.

I'll accept your take on Manny , as I'm not following him every day, and perhaps he is lovable and innocent. I do think he wouldn't be so cuddly if he was hitting .235,and I find it difficult to understand that he doesn't know what he's doing when he repeatedly melts down in the heat of a pennant race. Babe Ruth and Mickey Mantle were cut a ton of slack in their day too, the difference being that the papers didn't talk about their self destructiveness as it was occurring, so noone really knew. We had to wait years before learning how Mantle played double headers with giant hangovers and no sleep and still pounded home runs.

Manny is just being Manny. OJ is just being OJ. Steinbrenner is just being Steinbrenner.Cheney is just being Cheney. The 'just being' rationale is also a head scratcher for me.

Cheering Manny for deciding he'll stick around, after sitting out games as a head case once again, because he's a 'gangster' as he puts it? I guess hitting makes anything acceptable. I'm sorry, I just don't get it.

Well, that starts off with a horrendous version of the 'Cuckoo song', the Laurel and hardy there. I'm in a rush to bet somewhere right now and didn't listen beyond it yet.

Is trading Soriano considered a positive move? Impact players don't grow on trees.

I knew what theme song that was going to be before I played it, as it is sorely missed on the reruns. Norm !!!!!!!!

I would include Art Moreno, who owns the Angels, as another owner who has done wonders for the franchise. Outside of the 'Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim', debacle, he's done evrything right, and Angel stadium is a terrific experience now. It's true that Disney renovated the park, and brought the Angels their first world championship. It's also true that they were eager to dump them even as the Angels were winning the series. Moreno has done nothing but improve the team, the stadium,and the area.

I spent every birthday from '75-86' at the rock. It usually passed unnoticed, which was fine with me. It was also Don Wierwille's birthday, and I did sometimes pretend the main tent was singing happy birthday to me. The Sidney fairground rock's were the best.The old wooden buildings, outhouses, and conevience store right outside the gate where protestors gathered, gave the place a distinctive 'non-way' atmosphere, that could only help it. The roa at hq was sterile, and controlled, to say the least.

Frank McCourt from Boston bought the Dodgers last year , on shaky credit, and no cash, and it's been all downhill from there. The Dodgers managed to win their division last year, even while a really appealing team was being dismantled piece by piece. Chavez Ravine is still a wonderful place-it will take Mccourt a few years to totally destroy it, so I'm enjoying it while i can. I grossly misstated the parking lot space before-it's not 18, but hundreds of acres to fill with condos, malls, and other 'improvements.'

As expected, The Angels won last night. The Yankees lack of starting pitching will bury them this year, so no one needs to worry. Angel Stadium is a jewel of a park. The renovations made when Disney owned them have turned one of the ugliest parks to one of the best. Tho I still don't understand the rockpile in center field. Just found out the future plans for Dodger Stadium, thanks to the 'Boston parking Lot attendant" who owns the team. Turns out he's salivating over the 18 acres of parking lot, and is going to turn the whole joint into a mall with condos, for a total 'Dodger experience'. We were worried about him moving the team downtown, now we find he's bringing downtown to us. Based on the many similar condo-mall 'improvements' that are cropping up everywhere in LA, we have gang hangouts, overcrowding, incessant commercialism and a whole lot of noise to look forward to. Somewhere in all that mess one assumes the stadium is still there, tho what it will look like is a mystery.

That was Glenn Corbett from his Star Trek appearance. (Along with Elinor Donahue, who mnages to be as annoying on Star Trek as she was on Father Knows Best). Glenn played Zephram Cochrane, who pioneered 'warp drive' in trek world. The same charcter was played as an eccentric , counter culture type scientist in one of the Star Trek-Next generation movies. I forget who played him, but it was a Christopher Lloyd type. It was a long way to that character from straight laced Glenn Corbett.

I looked it up. Glenn Corbett took over for George Maharis in the last season. Maharis came down with hepatitus, no doubt from eating at too many roadside joints, ha ha. I've seen some of the Glenn Corbett episodes, and had the same reaction I usually have when characters are replaced-it just wasn't the same.

Those guys did nothing but drive that road. It looked like fun, but how the heck did they fit all their clothes and stuff in the trunk of a Corvette? I believe George Maharis didn't last the entire run of the show. I'm too lazy to look it up, but I'm pretty sure he was replaced by another of the same type.

I didn't think Kathy was referring to Martin Milner-still you never know.

I wasn't looking for a fight between teams,or anyone in here by the way. I'm headed to Anaheim tonight to see the Angels beat the Yankees again, and will be at Dodger Stadium on wednesday to see the Reds beat the triple A team known as the Dodgers, so I'm having a fine baseball summer. I drove by the new park in San Diego last week, and must get there this year also. It looks mighty fine from the outside at least.

That was a good show. I used to wonder how those guys had all that time to do nothing.

Survival at the rock with no money was an art. Just getting there with no money took ingenuity . Gary Smith from Connecticut is not with us now, but I'll always remember the year he was broke and I'd slip him my plate from the 'all you can eat' pancake breakfast, every day. I did love those pancakes w/ strawberries. Also the pizza, and wowburgers. And the fried chicken. Egad, memories of all that food is making my mouth water !

thanks for the exact quote-I was paraphrasing by memory. It was also too easy on the heels of Batman.

My turn? uh,, er,, ok, here's one- "Let me put it another way. Do you ... eat?"

Batman-The Adam West, Caped Crusader

#1 -I am not a Steinbrenner apologist, and am really not even a Yankee fan anymore. I think it's great that you think so highly of your team and it's owners, and far be it from me to want you to think diffently. I do have to say that until last year, such glowing reports have been rare from Boston. It still looks to me that winning generates good feelings. With all this charisma, I'm already hearing Johnny Damon talk about leaving at contracts end, and taking some of his favorite teammates with him. As far as doing for the people of New England, I don't know what you mean by that outside of making and buying a winning team. Steinbrenner is also extremely charitable, and i just don't buy the 'white hat/black hat' picture of the 2 teams. It was just last year(or was it the year before?) that Manny was getting sick on selective days in the middle of the pennant race. I'm really not against the Sox. As I've said before in here, I grew up being that rare breed who liked both the yankees and the red sox. I'm just saying that ultimately the Sox have built their team very similar to how the Yankees have-I honestly don't see the difference. The yankees core players of the last 10 years have been largely home grown, contrary to popular opinion, and the Sox wanted, and were ready to pay, Alex Rodriguez as much as the Yankees did.

But mstar, you now praise the Sox ownership for finally making moves that will help. and I see no difference between that and the Steinbrenner formula. Of course you hate the yankees-it's unamerican NOT to hate the yankees. If they were the mets one could just ignore them.