Kit Sober

Snow on the pumps! Such an important date. I thought we had a graphic artist create a picture of this. Was it WayDale or Greasespot I that had a great thread on this subject. Hope someone has it they can repost it. :)-->," God

Matilda We wish you happy birthday! :)-->," God

Birthday threads may seem a bit of fluff, But for it's also to help ensure A precious person gets enough Kindness and good wishes To last through the year. That's what's sent with this birthday cheer. For some, you see have lost their family, Have lost their friends, And may be losing their hope. (Twi took a lot from a lot of folk.) So if you want to do a kind deed today, Send a good wish to someone along the way. It's not hard, "Happy Bday" to say. It's not hard to post -- so post away! And birthday threads are archived below, So you only have the open forum to to go with this flow. But birthday threads are saved for you to review, The nice wishes that have been sent to you, (There's even a birthday wish to the THE thread there, too.) And if we've missed your birthday, oh Boo-Hoo:)-->," God [This message was edited by Kit Sober on November 28, 2003 at 10:55.]

I revised topics to make them more clear, and first meant "Is that better?" (i.e., more clear, easy to distinguish and place yourself.) But MJ412's comment showed a very important thing: Do you think you're getting better? Quality of life improving? Or is it like a losing battle? I am out of twiFor me, and, because I have been regaining control over my life in all categories, even the "DOWN's" (e.g., Fred being out of work 10 months, me having a difficult time at work to say the least) are "UP's" because we are incontrol of them -- they are not at the whim of someone else. (Of course, the end of this race is death or heaven, depending upon your spiritual view which this thread is not addressing.) Kit [This message was edited by Kit Sober on November 28, 2003 at 12:06.]

Masterherbalist on another thread indicated that he thought Greasespot Cafe wasn't sympathetic to the "natural way," and I thought to put a poll regarding this. Really gets complicated trying to get some consistent standards. Basic: 1 is all natural. Example: Grace Bliss. 3 is research medical profession/ professional opinions. Use proven natural methods. Example: George Aar 5 is trust medical profession/ professional opinions. Example: (I see a some, usually older, people more and more just live for doctors' advice and to get prescriptions filled.) [This message was edited by Kit Sober on November 28, 2003 at 10:11.]

It's still Mary Belavitz (not married yet:(--> ) You can email me. (She's in same location she's been in for 20 years or so, so an "old" address is still good.) Good friends are nice to be reminded of, and Mary B is one of the best! Thanks, Jim. :)-->," God

and my wonderful family that asked me to come home for thanksgiving (no I was at xxrd in Business), come home for a birthday party, father's day (ha had twig), for sunday dinner (ha had a "must do" event of some kind or another). And now today I don't know my nephews and neices. Hardly recognize my brothers and sister, and my parents have died. Hope you guys "lurking and reading" take heed and check out your family while you still have them. Ignoring your family isn't "putting God first," it's being incredibly bonehead stupid -- your family is the "hide not yourself from your own flesh" God commands. It's the "honor your parents" (while you have them around to honor). If the Lord really calls you to go to India or Zimbabwe, that's another story, but sacrificing your own life and your own family to validate a self-serving bunch is not wise. Listen to the Holy Spirit. He has nothing to hide! And He won't lead you astray! :)-->," God

We have the usual available by the :)--> at the Message line: :)--> :(--> :D--> :o--> :P--> --> ;)--> --> (The reference is found by right click on the image, so don't worry about putting the reference.). And Greasespot Cafe has some, for example: I got this from a friend: And from Waydale days. And my brother sent me these today from smiley central: And from time to time others post some really great ones, and I thought maybe we could have a place to post them in one place. Kit [This message was edited by Kit Sober on November 23, 2003 at 14:23.]

It was me. (I thought I'd moved it to an archive forum. . .) But since it's active. . . will put it here. Hopefully, :)-->," God

time wounds all heels. I also was tossed out -- as many were -- this was not lone ranger approach, but usual method of discrediting nice people who were no longer loyal party-line twiers. I never really understood this method of "damage control," because it certainly hurt their revenue -- people who they kicked out were some of the most faithful tithers:(--> Anyway. If I hadn't gotten kicked out I may still have been there -- probably would have gotten divorced because Fred certainly wasn't going to stay there! My story: One day a twig coordinator told his people I was a model of faithfulness, and at the next twig he read a letter from lc stating the usual MA stuff about me. I never did receive a copy of the letter except on-the-sly from a twig member friend -- who subsequently was MA because of his lingering friendship with me. Anyway, after people leave twi they can change easier. I certainly hope and pray your family and friends get out of that place. Praying with you and for you, :)-->," God

For the benefit of people in twi who may be wondering about some major life issues in their life, and looking for advice that's good -- good advice often will contradict twi doctrine. When we were in twi, mom said, :)--> Don't sell your house. It's really lovely. Youll wish you had kept it. . . .(Boy do we ever! All we can afford now is a moblile home out in the windswept wasteland of Reno) :)--> Get your teaching credential. That's something you will be able to use your whole life. (Wish I had, instead we went into the corpse. Wold have been spared so much time-wasting spiritual junk, and I could have a better paying job.) :)-->Enjoy your children. They are gone too soon. (This I did to best of my ability, and it always got me into trouble with "leadership.") :)-->," God

I was at my first job (and maybe my nicest). Santa Claus' helper (taking the pictures of children). The world seemed to stop. I was stunned. It was the end of thinking things could be ok. 9/11/01 was similar in effect. President Kennedy's death was a blow to the soul of the American people. Very sad. :)-->," God

Saide -- I also had a cross that was given to me by a dear friend, and the last time I was at HQ one who had been most precious to my life (I sponsored her in corpse) tried to rip it off. hatred for sin / love of God -- I now don't think you can divorce the two. I now see sin as hypocricy to the face of God. I agree, but I guess we see the entrance into the power of God differently. The cross, when every drop of the Savior's blood was poured into the world is heaven's gate -- the better sacrifice. The sinner who dies with Jesus needs to know (ginosko), for example, the 7 ways he bled to purchase our freedom :)-->His bruises, inside bleeding, for our iniquities, :)-->His stripes for our healing, :)-->He bled from His hands for our wicked deeds, :)--> bled from His head for our wicked thoughts, :)--> all His blood poured onto the ground to redeem the curse on the land -- This is the scrifice we must know and remember. The soul of the sinner is opened to the incredible love of His sacrifice, but the sinner needs to know the Cross. The guy who wrote Amazing Grace saw this. Christians I have come to admire know the cross as the skeleton of their life. I can understand the "I don't know" response to the inquiry, "Why do you wear a cross?J" If someone asked me why I wore a cross, I might say I don't know, because I don't. (Also I no longer feel obligated to reply to intrusions into my soul.) For me, at the scene of the crucifixion, I most identify with the malefactor who looked full in His wonderful face and saw his Lord and his God, and he hoped to be remembered when He comes into His kingdom. Me, too. :)-->," God [This message was edited by Kit Sober on November 22, 2003 at 11:52.]

Oswald, in daily devotional for today, says, there is the story about how when asked how much Jesus loved us, the little girl stretched out her hands as far as she could -- and said, "this much." Maybe a better understanding is to see the crucifixion as how much God hates our sin. Seeing the cross and how it demonstrates hatred for the hypocricy of sin encourages holiness. I don't think the hypocricy of sin could have abounded in twi -- and thereby the His-story of that place and of us could have run a different course. But here we are:)--> And, I'm thankful now for the Cross even more than before twi. Maybe seeing the vile thing that twi has become is a living witness that, indeed Christianity needs to remember, as Paul the Apostle learned and then wrote, (The Message version) "I deliberately kept it plain and simple: first Jesus and who he is; then Jesus and what he did?Jesus crucified." Hopefully, :)-->," God

Have you reconsidered the twi position of ignoring or ridiculing and rejecting respect for the cross of Christ? I was reading along in my daily devotional (My Utmost for His Highest, Oswald Chambers), and come across this:

Networking is fun. You never know when you might find a good lead for a job. (The Lord eally does work in mysterious ways!) You are in my prayers both for reconnection with people you love and for a Great Job. Hopefully and prayerfully, :)-->," God

I'm thinking of a line that really goes to the heart -- This seems like it will be an all-time favorite -- comes from Terminator 3: "You remind me of my mother." (Most precious son, when he was in High school, said he wanted to find a woman like me, and I told him that would not be good, because it took a lifetime of heartache to build this whether-beaten heart -- there are few "empty pockets" of foolish air because any loose steam has escaped out the cracks of a broken heart.) Anyway I think my son get a laugh from that line. Any others? :)-->," God [This message was edited by Kit Sober on November 19, 2003 at 0:29.]

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An elderly gentleman feared his wife was getting hard of hearing. So one day he called her doctor to make an appointment to have her hearing checked. The Doctor made an appointment for a hearing test in two weeks, and meanwhile there's a simple informal test the husband could do to give the doctor some idea of the state of her problem. "Here's what you do," said the doctor, "start out about 40 feet away from her, and in a normal conversational speaking tone see if she hears you. If not, go to 30 feet, then 20 feet, and so on until you get a response." That evening, the wife is in the kitchen cooking dinner, and he's in the living room. He says to himself, "I'm about 40 feet away, let's see what happens." Then in a normal tone he asks, 'Honey, what's for supper?" No response. So the husband moved to the other end of the room, about 30 feet from his wife and repeats, "Honey, what's for supper?" Still no response. Next he moves into the dining room where he is about 20 feet from his wife and asks, "Honey, what's for supper?" Again he gets no response so he walks up to the kitchen door, only 10 feet away. "Honey, what's for supper?" Again there is no response, so he walks right up behind her. "Honey, what's for supper?" "Dang it Earl, for the fourth time, CHICKEN!" :)-->," God

Gingertea, MY OPINION RE: Overhauling social teaching like "suicide prevention" Even though the "goal" of these "social improvement" classes may be "improvement," but their result has been horrible. (Jesus said you could tell a tree by its fruit.) Teaching how precious is life, the importance of one life, the impact of one life upon the world is the best suicide prevention. Showing that great movie, "It's a Wonderful Life" would be a good course requirement because of the preciousness of life it demonstrates. Catholics have some great value-of-life resources. (American Christians, IMHO, need to stop being intimidated by people who are ashamed of Jesus.) Thankful to be able to have an opinion once again, :)-->," God

I have been on the receiving end of charity as well, and my opinion is that people do all the kindness they know how to do. One year I didn't have anything for my children, and it wasn't twi who came to help -- it was a co-worker who went out and bought presents for my children. I like being on both sides. Being on the receiving end cuts pride and arrogance, and being able to give is just plain awesome. I was just thinking about all the stuff that has to have happened for some of these giving programs to be in place: The shoeboxes from Billy Graham to the hand of an orphan in Nigera require not only the crucifixion, the resurrection, and the ascension of Jesus, all that stuff, but also people today caring and doing the work of gethering the stuff (this outreach works through churches) taking it over, delivering it. it's a real work! :)-->," God

It appears to me that as sex education actually teaches the methods of premarital sex, so the suicide classes teach the methods of suicide. The law of learning by which the not is not heard -- especially among children. When the adults of today were in school (I was in elementary school 45 years ago) suicide was just a "don't go there" -- which is as it should be. (Enoch, "Did not see death because he was translated" -- IMHO the Lord just kept the eyes of Enoch clean of death.) I could not tell you a "fool-proof" method of suicide, but today's highly educated children can do so. the antidote is, as the title of this thread, teaching the children how precious they are, to God as well as to their family and friends, so they have padding when the trials of life buffet them or the fiery darts of the wicked attempt to pierce their soul. :)-->," God [This message was edited by Kit Sober on November 16, 2003 at 15:47.]

the movie "Pay it Forward" words it that you can fix people. My opinion: The kindness and affection we have one for another, and the effort we put forth to help people out, helps mend cracks in the soul. :)-->," God

will it die before Thanksgiving? :)-->," God

It's a wonderful life -- my favorite still. There is some Holy Spirit stuff in there that's a delight -- harmonic symphony of action (like when violet is crossing the street and the whole world turns to watch). I see new stuff each time I see it. It was the first (and maybe only?) movie where the bad guy is shown to be really bad and receives no judgement. The good is so good, and that's enough. No bitterness in this movie and some good life-lessons. There was a movie I saw and thought, "A modern day It's a Wonderful Life," but I forgot which movie it was. :)-->," God