Kit Sober

Dear Alfakat, :)-->," God

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Let them eat cake (if you can catch it)! :)-->," God

The power and the presence of the Holy Spirit (it's His job to lead us into the all truth). His voice is soft and still and true. His voice speaks of the Christ in you. Watchman Nee, maybe my favorite all-time Christian, was so cool. He was in prison- communist concentration camp prison the last 12 years of his life, and he died there. What broke his heart, and then he died, was hearing his wife had died. (She had been under house arrest those 12 years.) Few, if any, of the books you read by Watchman Nee he even saw. He was in Chinese concentration camp. I asked one Chinese believer (A Chinese Christian has a much controlled, quiet spirit, awesome to behold), "How do you know if a book is really Watchman Nee?" He laughed and said, "If it wasn't Watchman Nee, it wouldn't be Watchman Nee." You just can't counterfeit the kind of kindess of that man, or it wouldn't be him. I just read a story in "Extreme Devotion" which is a voice of the Martyr's "Foxe's Book of Martyrs" for today: When Watchman Nee was in prison the guards kept getting converted when they were assigned to keep guard of Watchman Nee. So they made a rule that no officer could guard Watchman Nee for two times, and they shortened the shifts at Watchman Nee's cell to 6 hours to try to prevent the conversion of the prison officers:)--> The presence of Holy Spirit is the test. Stolen works do not carry Holy Spirit. Only things referenced by Holy Spirit carry His power and life:)--> Holy Spirit stuff becomes sweeter and more lovely as you savor it. vp's stuff is like cardboard. The more you read the list of ingredients the more counterfeit and tasteless vp's works become :P--> :)-->," God

Dear Mark of Excellence! Thank you for all the kindness and wisdom you have brought to the Greasespot Cafe. Wish you much happiness and satisfaction, now and everyday. Hope your birthday's a token of the blessings God has in store for you. Hope it's a day to treasure, your whole life through. And here at Greasespot Cafe, we wish :)-->," God

Dear Frank, Your new year starts before most of us! You've always been real gung-ho type of guy! Want to wish you a very Happy Birthday, You bring so much kindness into the world, and many are the wishes for many happy returns to you, Now and always, :)-->," God

Still watching it, still enjoying it. :)-->," God

Vacations -- another reason to be glad to be out! Didn't take a vacation for 23 years in. Sister-in-law and her family invited us to go camping before one roa (they were in Akron OH), a brief respite. Advanced Class-ROA-Word in Business-Advance of this and that these are not vacations. Vacations are a free will choice thing for you and your family, having a nice time together. So glad to be out! :)-->," God

She was only a dentist, but she sure could make you smile. :)-->," God

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I have trouble separating twi silliness and my own. I did burn a Whole Collection of Elvis stuff at 1972 Uncle Harry Day, and didn't regret it until after WayDale. Didn't even enjoy Elvis music again until very recently. Bill Gaither et al did a tribute to Elvis circa 2001, "He Touched Me," which showed me that Elvis' life did have that godly impact I had felt before twi. When in twi, I loved everyone and expected the best of everyone (everyone!). Loved "Good Morning Lord" at the ROA. Hated being yelled at. Hated seeing anyone yelled at. And wished we had social programs to help people instead of just talking at them. But I Never "saw" any of what was going on at twi until WayDale. During the pre-WayDale, Transchat period, I thought ex-twi people were just grousing people who "couldn't make it" in twi. I am so thankful for the Greasespot Cafe which gives people a chance to see and hear for themselves. I am Catholic now, and am sincerely thankful to be supporting a group that is helping people build and rebuild their life by building schools, hospitals, houses, and delivering supplies to suffering people. :)-->," God

Just this morning I was thinking about the hurt to Jesus Christ when people so misuse His name. Christians still die for His name. Also those who like vpw excercise a hideous hypocricy and use the name of Jesus Christ (oh, so "in vain"!) :)-->," God

thankyouverymuch -- Elvis' closing line :)-->," God

the concept that church is to get -- your needs met, your ideology spoonfed -- is not godly. church is for people to get-together, and the improvement that comes with that. Church is a place to give. Christmas is an excellent example. Churches are out doing angel trees, suppers, special food drives, "adopt-a-family." Just all kinds of things. I just never saw any social/community giving in twi, except for Jim Milne, who was always in trouble with leadership anyway. From what little I know of the Christian lifestyle, each one of us is required to "rightly divide" the word into our life and lifestyle on a personal and individual level. No one will stand before the Lord and account for my life but myself. And church is just a nice respite, a gathering together before The Gathering Together. A place where you can say "Bless you" and not get reprimanded or asked to explain yourself. Church is a place to give, to learn to blend into the Body of Christ -- Watchman Nee spoke about having the rough edges chipped away so we could be living stones that are fit together. The Message (Eugene Peterson's translation) has it, The spirit of wisdom, which we should each know on a personal level is the One Who is able to guide us into all truth, not twi leadership or any pastor. :)-->," God [This message was edited by Kit Sober on December 14, 2003 at 16:02.]

Around 12/31 I find two events. The conception (9 months before 9/11/03), and The wisemen finding the baby. So reveling is somewhat biblical, and so is gift giving. I think the Lord enjoys the party time of the holidays. It's nice to get together with people you love (and learning to love) and having a nice time. Also the gift giving -- It's great to see so many people thinking about other people and what would make them happy. Our tradition for family: We do three presents for each other: :)--> Something you want :)--> Something you need :)--> Something you don't expect. This is nice because it keeps the presents in bounds,and seeing the working of the heart is more important than the price tag. Thankful for the soldiers working during this holiday season :)-->," God

Requirement to forgive is not for the wrong-doer's benefit primarily but for our own. Forgiveness prevents the juices of anger, wrath, malice, bitterness from poisoning our own system. Forgiveness is the context of basic retemory 2 Cor 2:11, "Lest satan should get advantage of us for we are not ignorant of his devices." Forgiveness is how we keep the upper hand -- our heart in the hand of God. :)-->," God

There is also a forgiveness thread over in the doctrinal forum: Forgiveness thread in Doctrinal forum Forgiveness is also close to my heart and life as a subject of Utmost Importance. :)-->," God

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The way, was like, indeed was, my worst nightmare come true. (The nightmare of thinking I was doing something good, and finding out it was years stolen!) That's the way I describe twi. Generally speaking I speak of that time as "Bible college" (corpse), "United States missionary work" (WOW), "had bible study fellowship in my home" (twig leader), "church I was involved with had in-home-bible-studies" (go to twig). :)-->," God

Mental health help hotline: Hello, and welcome to the cult abuse health hotline..." If you are obsessive-compulsive press 1 repeatedly. If you are co-dependent, please ask someone to press 2 for you. If you have multiple personalities, press 3, 4, 5, and 6. If you are paranoid, we know who you are and what you want. Stay on the line so we can trace your call. If you are delusional, press 7 and your call will be transferred to the mother ship. If you are schizophrenic, listen carefully and a small voice will tell you which number to press. If you are a manic-depressive, it doesn't matter which number you press, no one will answer. If you are dyslexic, press 9696969696969696. If you have a nervous disorder, please fidget with the pound key until a representative comes on the line. If you have amnesia, press 8 and state your name, address, telephone number, date of birth, social security number, and your mother's maiden name. If you have post-traumatic stress disorder, s-l-o-w-l-y & c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y press 0 0 0. If you have bi-polar disorder, please leave a message after the beep or before the beep or after the beep. Please wait for the beep. If you have short-term memory loss, press 9. If you have short-term memory loss, press 9. If you have short-term memory loss, press 9. If you have short-term memory loss, press 9. If you have low self-esteem, please hang up. All operators are too busy to talk to you. If you are menopausal, please hang up, turn on the fan, lay down & cry. You won't be crazy forever. If you are blonde, smile, be happy. You have it all. :)-->," God

when a baby is born he/she has a little soft spot on the top of their skull. Native americans believe that is where the spirit contact comes in. And, as the soft spot closes up, so the life of the spirit becomes "hardened." (something like that,anyway :)--> ). Anyway, birthdays to me are like the soft spot of the soul. At the time of a person's birthday their soul is the most opened, and you can say , "God bless" easier, and also if someone is forgotten on their birthday, it hurts them the most. :)-->," God

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Ex 10 Your birthday's near And we want to thank you for being here. Your wisdom makes life great Your elegance makes life grand So glad we're together out of twi-land. :)--> Kit Sober Jesus loves you Oh so much! "I love you :)-->," God [This message was edited by Kit Sober on December 03, 2003 at 1:48.]

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And on the side of compassion, there's the understanding that some people are trying to make pleasant conversation. the obvious is non-invasive. A neighbor that moved out because of some personal bad stuff with her child and a neighbor's child. . . and I love her kid . . . but hadn't been able to be helpful in the situation, and the house had been dark for a few weeks, but last nite they were there. . . and it was obvious they were just getting the last of their stuff. . . and all I could say at first was, "are you moving?" (The truck was packed, they hadn't been there in weeks, one kid was picking up a scattered toy. . .) But at least I could say something instead of just driving by. . . and the conversation was able to work around to where I wished her the best and told her I was praying for them. Thankful for the obvious, :)-->," God