Kit Sober

Fred got this Internet Explorer that only goes to pornography places and popups. Virus scan won't get rid of it. We are at a loss. Thanks, Kit

Well Fred just got in touch with a family that was just a "couple" when we were together in our Way Home in 1973. . . -- for us the Way Home was working to live like Jesus Christ would do it -- under the loving care of Del and Nancy Duncan. The people we lived with then are in our hearts forever. Never stopped caring for people we have lived with, even those we don't know where they are. In our hearts and lives forever. Kit

My friend at work said Angela Lansbury said, something like the above as well (like, "it was perfect, why mess with it?") I'm going to try to find the original first.

Hi, John. Miss you. Thanks for all the kindness you have brought into the world. You are a treasure for which I am sincerely thankful. Kit Sober Reno NV

A nice story by Dave Anderson A true "chick" story

Dave and I were having a discussion about "Chick movies" and out of the kindness of his heart, he sent this: (he writes as nice as he is,and I thought you'd like it.--kit)

HOpe and igotout, Congratulations!!!! And thank you for sharing your lives here at the Greasespot Cafe. You are an inspiration. Getting a life outside of twi is such an adventure:)--> Thanks, again,

Pirate, I was wondering about that -- wondering if the dying part is from the real example he had or if that was his poetic license. It seems it was real. But I don't know. I know that devil hates good people and they often die far too young. It's the way real life is, and the point is to love as much as possible while we have each other to pour affection upon. Kit

JMO "chick flicks" is misnomer. Nicholas Sparks, drawing on true examples from his own family, has given us the benefit of a view of kindness, love, and affection that a man can have for a woman, and the blessing to himself a man reaps when he gives in such a fashion. Nicholas Sparks is making millions on the deal, and I would say that any man who learns to love like this becomes at the least millionaire in heavenly coin. Ephesians talks about such love of a man for his wife, but there are few instances where, we can see a sermon in shoes on this subject. For the glimpse of such kind affection afforded by this movie, as well as the other Nicholas Sparks movies, I am thankful. A movie showing a man who does not ridicule, mistreat, abuse or give some other ridiculous reaction to a woman is not just a chick flick. It is a teaching tool a smart man learns from. Hopefully, Kit

Excathedra, Here I was just being so thankful we could search at all on these forums -- How I remember WayDale where you couldn't search at all! Kit

Fred and I have been on aol since early 90's -- more than 10 years. Upgrading aol was a real problem because it would add the new program, and not replace it -- and then aol would go back through the old programs for files really slow. And if you tried to remove the old programs you lost Internet Explorer. No solution except to reformat the hard drive. But Fred really likes the upgrades. I don't know. I guess I need to reformat the hard drive and install aol 9.0. Thanks for saying it's worth it. Kit

Tom, Well, Nicholas Sparks is a man, so the concepts cannot be totally unknowable to a man:)--> (I am going to go see The NOtebook today and see if it's all women in the theater:)--> ) Kit

12-step program isn't on the United Way or other non-profit fundings?

It seems to me that these people have done their best to allow the Holy Spirit to scatter them abroad, and they are doing their utmost for His highest in the place where they are called, doing their best to keep living and teaching as the Holy Spirit gives them utterance. Another couple I know and love. Kevin Porter -- He's got a ministry to Africa,"Lightbearers," out of Salem Oregon. ACF - Association of Christian Fellowships, Frank and Pat Tulak, out of San Diego CA. Kit

Was wondering what you guys think of the 12-step programs? When I was in twi I really thought the 12-step programs were "devilish" because they don't allow Jesus Christ to be mentioned -- and anything to "help" people outside of twi had to be wrong. But now I know that here also I was wrong. Now It seems to me that :)-->the help and time 12-step programs give to people by getting them off the drugs/alcohol/whatever is a blessing, :)-->Jesus Christ can go where He is wanted and needed. :)-->People who don't use 12-step program often never actually quit the destructive behavior -- they never deal with themselves as an addict. :)-->Many churches (I know Catholic ones do) use their facilities for 12-step program meetings. So now I am thankful for the 12-step programs, and trust the Lord to correct the traps which 12-step people often fall into -- for example, putting 12-step program ahead of the Lord, arrogance toward people who are not in a 12-step). Also I saw a truck that said "13 steps" is that related to the 12-step programs? Hopefully, Kit

The Strong Greek dictionary doesn't have any more help than what you gave us, Lightside. Thanks, Kit

Hereby notice is given that I do consider author who goes by a pen name of Dot Matrix a most wonderful addition to Greasespot Cafe. So glad you post here. As of July 24, 2004 this has been written public notification. This is no joke, only public declaration of what I believe to be true. Kit Sober

Yummy:)-->: For some people of other days/social circles -- a vanilla malt was high degree of pleasure, "yummy" could easily refer to a good looking guy. (I asked for ethyl at the gas station the other day and the kid taking care of me gave me a look like I had landed from outer space)

I saw Message in a Bottle and A Walk to Remember on the encouragement of the Catholic Digest article, and loved both of those movies. Kit

Even the @ sign was used before Dot Com came on scene. One friend at work (a kid) was stunned when I told him the @ was used in math before internet was a dream.

hoping and praying for you to get it sorted out, !immediatemente! and yourself in good shape :)-->Kit

The girl from Oz, Refiner, and other ex-jws: Thank you for sharing from your life and heart. It's been thought-provoking and heart-stretching to have you here. So glad you made it out of the jw bands of affliction. IMHOThinking about "not fitting in" is a great tactic of the devil to keep people alienated and isolated. We are supposed to "fit in" to the heart of the Lord, to the Holy Spirit, to God almighty. And we give and receive to others. Like Year2027 talks about going to these other places. . . I post with a number of prayer request message boards and email lists. People who are being tortured, killed and dismembered for being Christians don't "fit in" to the prison cells, but their Lord never leaves them nor forsakes them. We are each like snowflakes, unique and unreplaceable. And no one is going to agree on everything. Birds of a feather do flock together and in this Greasespot Cafe, I have found, and am very thankful for, much of the kind kind of association that I loved in twi. I've been able to speak my piece in this Greasespot Cafe, as well as the The-way@yahoogroups.com, for which I am very thankful.

What's so good about JW? I can think of good things to come out of twi (some of my best friends were brought up in that place). I can think of good things to come out of LDS for instance. But JW? I can't think of anything good that came out of that place. I can think of good things about LDS -- :)--> The LDS nurturing through their missionary program is terrific. Many of the problems twi's WOW Ambassador problem had -- kids having loose morals and hurting themselves and each other because of uncontrolled se x, finances out of control, abuse by leaders, etc. -- doesn't occur because the LDS missionaries live with and work closely with the established church where they are sent. :)--> The LDS takes care of their own. :)--> The LDS teaches their children how to do things, crafts and artwork, job apprentice work, etc. Their children are not tv dummies. :)--> The LDS has a great disaster preparedness network. Twi benefits are hotly debated at the Greasespot Cafe, and the depth of affection for the Lord and what He says some attribute to that twi place. But JW? I can't think of anything good that came out of that place. JWs have the callous arrogance and disrespect to anyone who believes different that comes with cult membership, but there seems to be no mitigating kindness and affection which comes with any touch of the Lord and of the Holy Spirit. And from what has been demonstrated by the ex-jws who come to the Greasespot Cafe, the spawns of jw are even worse -- more hardhearted, more arrogant, more disrespectful to other beliefs and concerns. So what do you ex-jws say is good from jw? Do you have any benefits you are thankful for? Did they hold your family together? What kind of kindness did you learn in jw? (Kindness, I believe, is the mark of Holy Spirit's work.) Anything? Kit

"Reprove" the word. At one time "gay" meant happy. No longer. "reprove" has been ruined for me. I got to find another word that relates to what the Lord is talking about with "doctrine reproof and correction." "reprove" of yelling,insulting, browbeating, discouraging, riding, belittling a tender soul is nothing like what the Lord wants to convey. At this point I don't know what it is, but what goes with His teaching is kind, tender, gentle to be entreated -- Coming from the Lord, "reproof" wouldn't startle, shock, or frighten a gentle lamb. I'm still looking for a good "reproof." I do know I didn't learn it in twi. kit

George, In your (not only typically twi but also generally considered) teaching that Prov 31 was for the women to "get it together in a godly fashion," was there any mention of the (to me especially noteworthy point) that <i>Was Proverbs 31 ever intended to be an idealistic standard for women to attain by themselves? Not at all. Instead, this passage of Scripture, like the rest of Proverbs, was written originally as a challenge to men. It's all too easy for guys to read Proverbs 31:10-31 rather flippantly--"Wow, if only I had a wife like this!"--without stopping to notice what these verses say about this woman/s rather remarkable husband.</i> I had never heard this before. And had only heard the drill, "women get it together and this is what you need to do...." not only at twi "advances" but also other Christian "retreats." Kit