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Timeless good for children, in my opinion, Walt Disney's version of Chesterton's The Narnia Chronicles, including their new one "Voyage of the Dawn Treader," and "Finding Nemo." These are good enough for my grandchildren.

Thanks for bringing this up. I ordered a copy also. Made me cry. Such a life of the Holy Spirit in there (that we never received from the plagiarized version). JE Stiles walked with God and received this stuff from the Holy Spirit and put it down on paper. Truly his heart went out to "... that great group of hungry Christians who have tarried and wept before God, longing to be filled with the Holy Spirit, whose hopes have not yet been realized." because he was among them. In my opinion, truly JE Stiles yearned that "May we ever keep before us the thought of glorifying Him, who loved us and gave Himself for us , by becoming like Him, for that is the only correct objective of the Christian life." From the dedication of JE Stiles' book, "The Gift of the Holy Spirit." It is a crying shame that we never got to read it in the original without such a long delay, in my opinion.

When the Jesus and the healing love of His blood invades a place whether it is one thought or one blood vessel or one body part of one person or a room full of people there is no time. And when He does our many thoughts from the Bible all make sense because of His loving life that infuses every word of that most precious book (all versions), in my experience. I believe that is what Christians are aiming for when they say "I am [already] healed." Not as a mental leapfrog into the future but an effort to put their mind into the attitude that Jesus already has. Pentecost will be in a week. The anniversary came many times prior and the event happened only one time many years ago. But yet we say "Pentecost is coming." Many wonderful Christians believe that God can work through days such as "Pentecost" and "Passover" and many other wonderful observances as windows or "portals" to receive His blessings. And those people prepare their hearts and mind in anticipation of the days' approach and relish in its presence. Like Christmas. There was one Christmas day when Christ was born, and it is celebrated by many every year. And every year we understand a little more of the present of His presence in the Christmas presents we present to and receive from our loved ones, and most of all we present our bodies as living presents to and receive His presence from the Lord Himself, by His mercy and grace.

johniam this thread is about the compassion of Jesus for us and how important is that compassion to a Christian to live as He lived. From a devotional today by Watchman Nee, one of my all time favorites Can you see the difference between his words and yours? From your words appear the great "I AM" who needs to be appeased. What are you doing here? From Watchman Nee there exudes a humility and a compassion and a longing as of the Lord to see people bound together as the one body of the Lord. Here is a mother cat and her kitten. The natural and godly response is to heal and comfort. Your words, johniam, are lthrowing ice on godly conversations and killing kindness.

johniam this thread is about the compassion of Jesus for us and how important is that compassion to a Christian to live as He lived. From a devotional today by Watchman Nee, one of my all time favorites Can you see the difference between his words and yours? From your words appear the great "I AM" who needs to be appeased. What are you doing here? From Watchman Nee there exudes a humility and a compassion and a longing as of the Lord to see people bound together as the one body of the Lord.

Here's a prayer request I received today

sorry for being so long winded. It's just so nice to be able to speak. (Thanks, again,Pawtucket for this place in which we can speak our piece.)

zixar. Miss you. Praying for you and with you for good success. From Reno NV

Cat playing with dolphins How cute is this! This is a memory lane walk for those who fondly remember happy "hippy" days

Linda Zinn: I have no dispute that many were healed and delivered. I was one of them. I had Del Duncan do "something" and I felt my brain come together and Jesus came to live in there. The tragedy of the selfishness I speak of is that the ministries of the tender people who loved God with all their heart soul mind and strength was twisted, perverted and aborted because from the top down was that cripplilng self-ishness which eliminated the Holy Spirit and His love and kindness. Only by eliminating the Holy Spirit and biblical accountability could twi become the residence of the horrors such as what GT speaks about in his heartbreaking story of his daughter's abuse and the attempted coverup here. What massive impact in the world could the precious muic of Brxxn Bli$, T0m Lepin$ki, Skip Mesquite and so many others have made if they were under a ministry that was supported by that anchor of Jesus Christ in the harbor of God's love rather than vpw's perversion? In my opinion "God gets the glory" when lives that are healed go on to live and grow with the Lord and make an impact in the world. That's what WOW meant to us at one time when we had dawn in our eyes. But that didn't happen, and I believe it's because of the selfishness of vpw from the top down dripping throughout the ministry. To me the most vile stories of abuse are those of the "precious little ones" whose lives and ministries were destroyed. And there is no court of law that will defend this abuse except God Almighty's Judgment. I have one precious guy -- So most precious guy who went out WOW 5 times because he trusted this was the way to serve, and last I knew of him his brother had abandoned him, he never met a woman [in twi] who thought his tender heart for the Lord was a most precious commodity, so he had no family of his own, no career, and last I heard he was homeless and I haven't heard from him in years. He was one of those guys who delivered God's love, but he wasn't trained in how to live and his leadership abandoned him when he was in trouble. That's one precious heart ache for which I demand justice when I pray. DavidWilkerson's "World Challenge" website (first was "Teen Challenge"), "Search" result of articles regarding David Wilkerson in "Charisma Magazine",Nicky Cruz' DW memorial on his website Nicky Cruz's memorial for David Wilkinson on his website included, I look at Nicky Cruz' "NCO" website and think what Del Duncan's website could be if he had been allowed to move with that Holy Spirit by which he touched so many? What if we were able to stay with the people we loved so much and provide a ministry of "helps" to truly help guys like Del increase their ministry and faith like Nicky Cruz has done? What about Jimmy Doop? So many who tried to live their lives before the Lord but had their vision twisted and turned away from the Lord and onto twi? Even J0xx Lyxx. What if he had been taught from the get go to use his passion and humor for the Lord and had godly oversight and direction to help him walk with the Lord instead of all the bickering and backbiting selfishness of the "great I AM" and the hardening of heart that encouraged? Our WOW service was highlighted by weekly reports of "hours spent witnessing," "hours worked" etc.Corps training was the same, plus that degree won't tread any water in any other ministry because of the perverseness of twi. What a waste of micromanaged time learning to focus on twi, not on the Lord. The impact that David WIlkerson's life had came by continuing to walk with the Lord and growing in faith with Him. David Wilkerson was beat up by those guys when he was witnessing and he still kept saying, "Jesus loves you, Nicky." And David Wilkerson continued to look for ways to show people that Jesus loved them. In twi many also didso in "the early days'', but the longer we stayed in twi, the more twi had to do with our lives and the less the Holy Spirit did. The offshoots of twi just don't have impact because of the inbred selfishness. The second generation twi ministries are still bound into the selfish self centered "I'm OK so what's the problem?" Where is the sacrificial giving and heartrending missionary trips to ease the troubles of the natural disasters of Japan, Joplin Missouri, and the Mississippi flooding. Where are schools and orphanages created to save and inspire the Babe Ruth of tomorrow like Father Flanagan's Boy's Town? I see no work to improve the lives of those less fortunate in twi related groups. Jesus fed the 5,000. But when does a twi or extwi ministry send missionaries to build wells for fresh water or goats or cows for increased quality of life or a sewing machine and lessons to help an impoverished mother provide for her family? Billy Graham's son Franklin does this. Catholics do this. And what does twi and extwi bunches do? They trivialize what other Christians are doing. When discussing the natural disasters that strike, the great miracle is that, "Well it missed me, thank God." But what about those whose houses and business got wiped out? Where is the compassion and the works compassion should encourage? David Wilkerson's passing has produced thousands of website postings so far, and Mother Teresa's life has generated untold declarations of thankfulness for her life. And Pope Paul II who I know was a most precious one to the Lord. . . The impact of people who twi trivialized is truly awesome when one looks outside of the fairytale "closed corporation" of a twi place. Johniam it is pathetic that you cannot see the difference between the impact of a life lived before the Lord in integrity and a life of filth and hypocricy. I expect that Mother Teresa had a welcoming throng of billions when she arrived at heaven's door. What about vpw's welcoming crowd at heaven's door? (if indeed he will be there which I would not bet on.) Do you imagine yourself leading a mighty army of people in heaven who rejoice at the name of vpw? Will your army consist of the babies he ordered to be aborted? The people whose lives he destroyed? Do you think even Craig Martindale now is happy for his twi years? How many of the denizens of the Greasespot Café would trade their twi years for years under a ministry that was run with integrity at the top down? I know I sure would if I could. Johniam Can you not see that the testimony of these people you have met at the Greasespot Café is a witness to a filthy pervert who truly used God's name in vain? The fact that twi legally holds the name "The Way" is no more a stamp of approval from the Lord than Barabbas' name, which means "The Son of the Father" identified the true "Son of the Father" that stood before Pilate more than 2,000 years ago. Although the crowd before Pilate called to release Barabbas, It was that precious Jesus, for whom they called, "crucify him crucify him" who was the "Son of the Father." Truly God always has the last word on these things. I so yearn and hope that my words agree with His.

There was "The Rescue" by Dennis McGee. I had it years ago, but loaned it out and now it's been gone for too many years to expect it will come back. There have been other books and paintings which come up on Google search, but this was a nice one. Been so long. . . . The Cult that Snapped, Karl Kahler Losing the Way, Kristin Skedgell Both of the last two are dealt with separately and in depth in other threads and postings on the Greasespot Cafe website. The Cult that Snapped was very instrumental in the Lord being able to remove the tumor in my brain, "twi thinking."

The quote of physician heal thyself from the "want Healing?" thread reminded me that the similar taunts hurled at Jesus when he was on the cross were spoken by the mockers and the chief priests. Jesus didn't stay on that Cross for Himself but for us. Christianity as Jesus lived it was to bring God's kind of kindness into others' lives, and the blessings to our own life was a byproduct of that other oriented concern. I don't believe His first concern was His own deliverance. when in twi we were younger and it was easier to believe for healing, with the energy and fire of youth on our side, would have been a good time to do as David Wilkerson did when he went into the gang infested streets of New York and held forth God's kindness for Nicky Cruz and his kind. Or go into the streets of Calcutta and deliver God's kindness to the dying and destitute -- some true missionary work. However, that's not what happened. We were taught to seek our own blessing, and it was pretty easy to beleive for our own small aches and pains and piddly jobs at MacDonald's. And those close who didn't believe to overcome whatever troubles they had were expellled for "not believing," being "tripped out," whatever. We should have been visiting the sick and those in prisons on any kind and exercising faith that works by love. rather than simply doing alphabet speaking in tongues to exercise ourselves "spiritually." Speaking in tongues is great in my opinion. I am not knocking that -- only that if our hearts were geared toward seeing more heart breaking and earth shattering things corrected it would have been a more godly use of our spirits. We didn't go routinely to hospitals and prisons and gang infested streets to take our good news, but it stayed in the realm of memememememe, which shuts up the "bowels of compassion." Jesus didn't stay on that cross because it was good for him but it was good for us. And that giving of Him made life available to us. I remember when "Christ in you" wash changed to "Christ in me" and no one seemed to mind. Whereas the "Christ in you" viewpoint led Mother Teresa to see Jesus in the faces of the dying and destitute of the streets of Calcutta. Mother Teresa and so many others who have lived in service of the Lord did not give heed to their own troubles but to easing the burdens of others. This is how it should be, in my opinion. "Christ in me" however leads to the arrogance and supercilious air that has no room for the Holy Spirit, in my opinion. (I had a great thing written about this but computer lost it all and I don't remember what I wrote. Alzheimers, again. But I do remember that selfishness is contrary to a true Christian walk because I am faced with that one on a daily basis.) Thanks for listening.

From Max Lucado

My favorite was housecleaning. Price by the bathrooms (In 1980 I charged $25 per bathroom). Do the bathroom first (where the devil starts out) and the rest is a breeze. Met friends for life doing this on the WOW field and afterwards. I did window washing during late 1970's. I mention "I did this" because really if you knew me you would know that "If that woman can do it, anyone can." Also I tried the organization service kind of. It goes with housecleaning. But it was so funny. "Drive you crazy" is amazing and literal truth. You love these people but. . . what can you do? That's where they are. One lady hired me to clean out her house. She was dying. No close family, etc. There were piles of news papers. When she was "done" she hadn't thrown anything out. I was only able to clean around the stuff and move it a little. I kept in contact with her for a few years afterwards even though we moved. She was so precious. (One sad thing about friends is that their family may not know you to tell you when they pass away. So they just depart from your life and you just never know...) Another idea is to take a class at a local community college or above if you can afford it. 1. You will meet friends and other people who have dawn in their eyes and it's contagious. Also it will add to your current resume, both paper one and you emotional bulwark of confidence of success and hope. My huband who is 68 and very weak with cancer and diabetes and stuff took a training class at the local humane society and when he went to apply for a job they offered him one promoting the humane society at schools, job fairs, and pet and animal related conferences. You just never know the doors God can open. So most of all I am praying for you and with you for good success in whatever you put your hand to. Kit

And going to doctors is a symptom of unbelief. (this has taken me years to overcome)

News of Joplin Tornado. Please add in your prayers for these people

The most important thing, in my opinion, is that we do live out our time here in a manner that is well pleasing to the Lord so that whether He does return (which He will one day) or we complete our earthly "fieldwork" time in the more routine manner, we can indeed fly away O Lordy.

Still works. Brains always need a little exercise and this is a wholesome one.

Still get error message. I tried doing what you suggested. Could not access the option to correct. Thanks for any help you have.

Prepare yourself to watch the best card trick ever. The video starts with a short hand trick and then begins the card trick......You will not believe it....Enjoy...Click here: Best Card Trick Ever (I could not even figure out the "short hand trick.")

From OperaBuff This is very wonderful to me. Da1e Side$ years ago taught that the Nicolaitans that God hates (Revelations 2:6,15) were "people overcomers" (Nike, overcome; laos, people) It's been a long time I don't remember exactly the Greek words he used but I do remember that it set right in my spirit and I have been trying to understand it for the number of years or so since I heard it. This discussion regarding the figure of speech "permission" and what you said, OperaBuff, most recently regarding the importance of free will to the Lord fits into that importance He attaches to overcoming free will by identifying people who do so as hated of Him. There are so very few things that God says He hates. The concept of "hate" i understand carries with it separation, and that would explain why God does not speak much of these "nicolaitanes" that He hates. There may be a number of things that I have come to understand regarding the "love and hate" dichotomy, among which are closeness of love and lovely and the separation that comes with hate and hateful things. ("Come out and be ye separate" has become a watchword to me of the way to deal with temptation. (not to be holier and thou outwardly, but it's an inward separation primarily.) A recent book I am reading "23 questions about Hell," notes that the attributes of hell are all identified by the absence of God: For example, hell is dark because God is light (I John 1:5); Hell is only death because God is life (John 1:4); Hell is hatred because God is love (I John 4:16); Hell has no mercy because the mercy of the Lord is in the heavens (psalm 36.5). Pretty amazing how this all fits together. Thanks so much. Thank you very much for the neat picture in the puzzle of Godliness for me.

I received this on the internet today, "Texting for older folks" but I don't think it works for txting to kids. Anyone know what the kids are using nowadays?

Did someone mention the 1828 Noah Webster dictionary. It's available electronically. I got mine through the Christian Book Distributors. David Anderson has a hard copy and told me about it. It's a treasure. (I read dictionaries for pleasure). It's got some nice stuff in there.Helps you bend your mind into the frame of thinking of earlier times.

I go with the PBPGIFWMY (Please be patient, God isn't finished with me yet) concept. I am thankful for anyone who is continuing to walk with the Lord because I know He is working from the inside out to get us all more like Jesus Christ, the one and only role model worth comparing ourselves to. I remain so humbled that He continues to wash away more and more of my sins and bring me closer to him. And the longer I remain on this path the less room there is for criticizing. I with John Lynn (and so many others also identified in this thread) the best in their walk with the Lord. In my opinion when people are learning to walk with the Lord, He convicts and shows them what is right. Once the Holy Spirit shows you something it's a rock in your thoughts. Nothing can shake that. Additionally the basic Acts 17:11 comes to mind, "These [folks of Berea] were more noble than those in Thessalonica in that they searched the scriptures daily whether those things were so." Each of us is responsible before the Lord to verify what we believe by the scriptures, which plainly teach what things are "so," and the Holy Spirit is a guide for each of us.

Reminder to pray from Christian Breaking News: